Uhhh... I do believe there is a healthy population of international students attending American universities without prejudice. This is simply a case of developing American athletes in their home country which should be a priority if in fact we want to compete on the world stage (Olympics, World Champs, etc...). Nothing wrong with a bit of nationalism, the ENTIRE world does it. I'm all for helping less fortunate athletes from foreign countries, but only to an extent, and not compromise the development of our homegrown talent. We need to take care of our own backyard before extending out to take care of someone else's deficiencies. A 70/30 split allows both American and foreign athletes to benefit. If not enough Americans choose to participate, then fill the spot with an international athlete. Coach wise, there's nothing wrong with inheriting or recruiting international athletes of which may be older and or more experienced, but to build your program with mostly foreigners isn't appropriate.
Look at Univ. of New Mexico's men's roster. What a FREAKIN' joke! Coach Gauson is a tool and should be ashamed! UNM's AD should also be ashamed for allowing this to happen. There's a lot of American talent in the Southwest, and Albuquerque is a great place to train.
ABQ is a great place to train, but UNM is a hard sell academically to distance runners. It's OK State levels of academics. If I'm a runner with decent grades who went to high school in the U.S., is UNM a great option? Nope. People crap on Colorado academics, but they're MUCH better than UNM.
NAU also doesn't have great academics, but Flagstaff > ABQ all day long, plus all the titles and athletes the school has produced.
Also, the only UNM alums I can think of who have done anything at the world class level are Kerr and Frerichs.
The average age of the top 10 male/female finishers at the NCAA XC meet averaged 22 years old. Your statement is untrue.
Just wait a couple years. Texas (tech?) has brought in a 59:37 half marathon guy. For reference the American record is 59:45 I think. These athletes are being imported as 25+ year old freshman. My take is there should be a hard age cap for eligibility for regionals and nationals. And those hosting invites should have the option to implement this cap as well.
Except you love these guys when they represent us in the Olympics. I guess those two years off are beneficial only to their pro careers, but detrimental to their NCAA careers.
Shots fired at OK ST and all the Kenyan athletes coming into the NCAA. But I’m not sure if his model at Tennessee of recruiting 30 freshman a year was any more beneficial to American athletes
I don't know Sean Carlson, I did like the video and the message of developing home-grown talent. The overflow of international talent began back in the 1970's with UTEP,
UTEP and Oregon were stacked with international talent back in the 60s. Nothing new here.
As someone who walked on to a lower D1 program, beat most of the existing runners who were on scholarship only to get left out in the cold when new coaches brought in five foreigners the next year leading me to transfer out, I can attest to the fact that he ain’t wrong. I can at least take comfort in the fact that I was able to beat a couple of the guys they brought in at conference meets later in my college career.
It doesn't help that he's 5'6" and has the gravitas of a 12 year old.
That said, results speak. I'm curious how quick he can win.
If he can get CU back to the podium that way he wants to do it, fair play to him. I’m not against international athletes, just that obviously it becomes a joke if you have a team of only 30 year old East Africans. It’s like Kramer from Seinfeld beating all the little kids in karate. Silly stuff. It’s not what I understand to be the spirit of the NCAA.
Also, they have to have some educational background. Not sure if the Ethiopian school system is good enough to produce runners that would have a chance to manage the American College school system.
Uhhh... I do believe there is a healthy population of international students attending American universities without prejudice. This is simply a case of developing American athletes in their home country which should be a priority if in fact we want to compete on the world stage (Olympics, World Champs, etc...). Nothing wrong with a bit of nationalism, the ENTIRE world does it. I'm all for helping less fortunate athletes from foreign countries, but only to an extent, and not compromise the development of our homegrown talent. We need to take care of our own backyard before extending out to take care of someone else's deficiencies. A 70/30 split allows both American and foreign athletes to benefit. If not enough Americans choose to participate, then fill the spot with an international athlete. Coach wise, there's nothing wrong with inheriting or recruiting international athletes of which may be older and or more experienced, but to build your program with mostly foreigners isn't appropriate.
Look at Univ. of New Mexico's men's roster. What a FREAKIN' joke! Coach Gauson is a tool and should be ashamed! UNM's AD should also be ashamed for allowing this to happen. There's a lot of American talent in the Southwest, and Albuquerque is a great place to train.
ABQ is a great place to train, but UNM is a hard sell academically to distance runners. It's OK State levels of academics. If I'm a runner with decent grades who went to high school in the U.S., is UNM a great option? Nope. People crap on Colorado academics, but they're MUCH better than UNM.
NAU also doesn't have great academics, but Flagstaff > ABQ all day long, plus all the titles and athletes the school has produced.
Also, the only UNM alums I can think of who have done anything at the world class level are Kerr and Frerichs.
Please explain how you were running freshman year under one coach but then another coach.was able to sign a bunch of guys that fall for the following year. None of it makes sense. Even if that magic happened, where did all of that additional scholarship money come from?
Americans are expected to compete against the entire world in the work place, their universities, their sports leagues. Our institutions seem to care very little for us or our development. These coaches should be ashamed of their betrayal of the American people.
It doesn't help that he's 5'6" and has the gravitas of a 12 year old.
That said, results speak. I'm curious how quick he can win.
I think some people are born leaders and others are not. Although there is a prevailing theory anyone can be a leader if they work/train at it, I also think some people are innately good at it and others know. Height is a factor in leadership.
I can't believe people keep making this point thinking its an argument ender. Money is FUNGIBLE, this is ECON 101. It does not matter if the exact serial numbered bills that are used to pay for these foreign athletes scholarships were the exact same bills taken from the taxpayers. A dollar is a dollar is a dollar.
The state (and to an extent all federal) taxpayers heavily subsidize state universities and therfore directly or indirectly pay for all of the schools expenditures. This is why we have the concept of in-state/out of state tuition because there is an understanding that the taxpayers deserve something in return for their payment over almost 2 decades in a state. There is no reason this same logic can't be extended to say at least some portion of athletic scholarships should go to taxpayers (at the very least Federal taxpayers ie American high schoolers/their parents).
I asked a question, not a statement. Are you unable to comprehend the difference?
I am genuinely curious about the answer. Yes money is fungible, but an athletics department that is 100% self-funded (from ticket revenue, merchandise, donations, etc.) can make the argument that they should have more control over how to spend their budget. Rationale people can counter that state taxpayer money largely built the training facilities, stadiums and infrastructure that make it all possible.
If you fall into the latter group, you would have to question why the school recruits any athlete from out of state (let alone from abroad) since these scholarship students are not paying the higher tuition rate.
Very few collegiate athletic departments are self funded. There are over 5,000 colleges and universities in America.