When you set the pace you control the race
When is the idea "Get out fast" going to end.
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until you get hawked down by the guy (cole hocker) who was riding your tail the whole time
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ryan waitreeeeeee wrote:
Time and time again highschool/club and sometimes college coaches are telling athletes to get out hard so they can get a good position, and while there are situations where this can be applicable (think bottlenecks, tight funnel) inevitably this is hurting the athletes races.
If an athlete wants to take a race hard from the start, by all means they should, but in no instance should the first stretch be faster than any other stretch. Using the analogy of a car, when you accelerate really fast from 0-60 you burn much more gas then if you use the slow burn to bring it up to 60. Jakob can be used as a study for his tactics that were used in the 1500m final of the Olympics. While championship tactics vary from other races, in this race he went out hard, and got 4th. However when we see him going out behind a pacer, he clearly can knock out some fast times.
Should "fast out of the gate" still be a philosophy in coaching?
Shotput.
The only situation where getting out fast no matter what makes sense is in a short sprint.
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Try starting slow at the world cross, and see how you go.No catching up possible.Very fast start, very necessary
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not many people can do that without getting in their head or falling back with the pack they are stuck in. It's pretty rare that happens
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RossiCheated wrote:
Pomona Pitzer, 2023 National Champions
1K, 28th (651 Points)
3k, 8th (244)
4k, 3rd (148)
5k to 8k, 1st (117... 98... 80 for the win).
Individual runners, from 1k to finish
221 to 10th
181 to 12th
241 to 14th
229 to 24th
65 to 30th
175 to 31st
284 to 56th
That is a MASTERCLASS.
What race is this? It isn’t from 2023 nationals, which Pomona-Pitzer won by a point with 158, not 80. And they were in third at the mile marker, and their number one runner was in second and finished ninth. They were in first at the two mile mark.
Maybe this is 2021?
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Antelope111 wrote:
RossiCheated wrote:
Pomona Pitzer, 2023 National Champions
1K, 28th (651 Points)
3k, 8th (244)
4k, 3rd (148)
5k to 8k, 1st (117... 98... 80 for the win).
Individual runners, from 1k to finish
221 to 10th
181 to 12th
241 to 14th
229 to 24th
65 to 30th
175 to 31st
284 to 56th
That is a MASTERCLASS.
What race is this? It isn’t from 2023 nationals, which Pomona-Pitzer won by a point with 158, not 80. And they were in third at the mile marker, and their number one runner was in second and finished ninth. They were in first at the two mile mark.
Maybe this is 2021?
Yes these stats are from D3 nationals in 2021.
Notably in 2023 when they won again, the course was narrow and very hilly which made passing more difficult, so Pomona went out much harder than they had 2 years before. (Although La Crosse went out even faster but lost over 50 points in the last 2K to lose by a single point. It worked out pretty well for Ethan Gregg though.) That's what's great about cross country- every course is different and calls for different strategies.
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Big mistake. Passed like 60-70 people in the first mile. Went super slow. Negative split which is good I guess?
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also-runs could have finished in the big boy places wrote:
RossiCheated wrote:
Pomona Pitzer, 2023 National Champions
1K, 28th (651 Points)
3k, 8th (244)
4k, 3rd (148)
5k to 8k, 1st (117... 98... 80 for the win).
Individual runners, from 1k to finish
221 to 10th
181 to 12th
241 to 14th
229 to 24th
65 to 30th
175 to 31st
284 to 56th
That is a MASTERCLASS.
Or maybe 10th place could have been top three if he hadn't need to pass quite as many runners.
Nobody should ever be in >200th place in a race they are racing to WIN. Face it.
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