LRC note. USATF has gotten back to us and told us they WILL honor the order of finish at the Trials for all who have broken 2:11:30. Details and discussion here:
2. Mantz and Young (running under 2:08:10) has unlocked 2 positions for any American that has a sub 2:11:30. It does nothing for themselves personally if they do not finish in the top 2 at the trials.
3. On May 8th they will likely unlock a 3rd position if any American is ranked in the top 80. Currently several fall into this category.
4. They will not take the highest ranked athlete but instead the best finishing sub 2:11:30 at the trials that falls into the top 80.
In the case that USATF is not able to select a full team of Qualified Athletes from the Selection Event, or as outlined above in the case that the Selection Event does not occur or ends prematurely , the U.S. may earn up to three (3) quota positions in each gender category. The number of available quota positions will be determined after the Paris 2024 qualification period ends on May 5, 2024.The U.S. will fill any unfilled quota positions with Qualified Athletes based on their rank order on the Road to Paris rank list following the close of the qualification period on May 5, 2024.
We will likely only have two Qualified Athletes at the conclusion of Trials. The two unlocked Olympic spots at that time will go to them (Mantz and Young).
The expanded list of 80 Qualified Athletes will be announced on May 5. This will probably unlock a third spot for the US. As it says above, that spot will be awarded based on world rank. Not based on Trials results.
So the unlocked quota positions are given till May 5, not just Jan. 30. So two are unlocked by the 2:08 time Mantz and Young fulfilled. And one will be unlocked by May 5 because there are several US men in the top 80 by ranks. Top 3 go if they have 2:11:30.
If they don't have the 2:11:30, it seems after May 5, they choose whoever is highest in ranking to go.
I think top 3 should be able to get 2:11:30 even if hot. In LA, the 2020 times for 2nd and 3rd were in the 2:10s. And the likely candidates already have it.
the article itself is full of disclaimers - "it appears" and "based on how we are interpreting it."
If you can't stand behind your own article, then it's not worth publishing yet. The words of the original tnfmedia.com "don't believe everything you read" live on with letsrun. But most people are ready to hop on the drama train without any evaluation of facts. Letsrun needs to establish content control over its own writing with standards that they hold themselves to before hitting publish. The team has't shown a maturity that matches its level of influence. If it could rise to that, the site could become valuable news instead of just entertainment.
We have 2 positions that were unlocked. The athletes that unlocked them are in no better position than any other 2:11:30.
I KNOW THIS AS FACTUAL.
If you're so sure of this, read the document and point out where it says so. I know the document is a bit convoluted but everything is spelled out in the first two pages. And forget any preconceived or logical definition of "qualified" you have, they have a very specific definition and it's not 2:11:30 or top 3 at trials.
I have talked to those that wrote this document for clarification rather than try to interpret.
First, it's funny all the people criticizing rojo when they didn't read the document correctly. He read it better than you.
But actually ROJO I was re-reading and saw an important point you missed.
The USATF will ONLY fill the third spot with a QUALIFIED ATHLETE. As we have been arguing here, QA has a specific definition which is sub 2:08:10 or top 65 on January 30.
The definition of QA does not change on May 5.
So under these rules, even if the US unlocks a third spot, it will only add a QA which is either Mantz or Young (at this point).
If Mantz and Young are top two, we only send two even if we unlock a third spot.
It is frustrating watching how this board analysis things.
To be clear, we are just trying to understand the rules that the USATF publishes. I am well aware that the USATF may not decide to follow its own rules. Not sure why you would be frustrated with letsrun rather than USATF here.
If you're so sure of this, read the document and point out where it says so. I know the document is a bit convoluted but everything is spelled out in the first two pages. And forget any preconceived or logical definition of "qualified" you have, they have a very specific definition and it's not 2:11:30 or top 3 at trials.
I have talked to those that wrote this document for clarification rather than try to interpret.
LOL. Tell them they did a bad job and they owe all of us a "clarification".
USATF's document is so poorly written in regard to what a Qualified Athletes is that some people actually are reading it as meaning Mantz and Young are automatically on the team (assuming a bunch of guys don't 2:08:10 at the Trials) and Jonathan's first draft initially had that as a possibility but I took that out as I thought that interpretation was ridiculous - clearly USATF wants the Trials to mean something. So I was trying to make the article less drama filled than it could be.
But...that interpretation is actually what it says right now, regardless of whether they ultimately follow their rules or not. How is that journalism to leave that out? And what constitutes a Qualified Athlete is made quite clear in the document:
Athletes may become a qualified athlete when they meet the qualifying standards in one of two ways (“Qualified Athlete”): 1. The time qualifying standards as established by World Athletics are 2:26:50 for women and 2:08:10 for men
2. Any athlete ranked higher than the 65th athlete on the filtered Quota Place Road to Paris rank list on January 30, 2024
The only reason that Galen Rupp or Zach Panning are not ranked in the top 64 is because they both only have ONE performance since November 2022 and you need two to be included. Both have huge points for their ONE. If my math is correct either of them running sub 62:30 at Houston would bump them into the top 64 and open an additional spot for another American. Although neither of them probably care because if they are top 3 at the trials that would be a 2nd performance and enough points to put them in the top 80
Anyone know what World Athletics “category” the Olympic Trials are in? For example World Champs and Olympics are the top ranking category, WMMs and a couple others are second, and Houston is in the fourth tier. You can get huge bonus points even with a slow time for placing well especially in the top category races.
the article itself is full of disclaimers - "it appears" and "based on how we are interpreting it."
If you can't stand behind your own article, then it's not worth publishing yet. The words of the original tnfmedia.com "don't believe everything you read" live on with letsrun. But most people are ready to hop on the drama train without any evaluation of facts. Letsrun needs to establish content control over its own writing with standards that they hold themselves to before hitting publish. The team has't shown a maturity that matches its level of influence. If it could rise to that, the site could become valuable news instead of just entertainment.
They’ve had 20+ plus years. They are what they are. I’m sure RoJoke sputtered all about this on this weeks podcast.
First, it's funny all the people criticizing rojo when they didn't read the document correctly. He read it better than you.
But actually ROJO I was re-reading and saw an important point you missed.
The USATF will ONLY fill the third spot with a QUALIFIED ATHLETE. As we have been arguing here, QA has a specific definition which is sub 2:08:10 or top 65 on January 30.
The definition of QA does not change on May 5.
So under these rules, even if the US unlocks a third spot, it will only add a QA which is either Mantz or Young (at this point).
If Mantz and Young are top two, we only send two even if we unlock a third spot.
You’re missing the part where the top 80 on May 5 are eligible as long as they have run 2:11:30. Can’t declare the third place finisher in February as on the team because officially USATF won’t have the third spot unlocked yet. As things currently stand.
National championship events are considered Silver level events for World Athletics rankings purposes. The points granted for placing are different for Marathons than for other events since only 2 results are counted for points instead of 5.
Actually it is possible for an individual to finish in the top three at the US Trials without a sub 2:11:30 marathon PR and still make the team via ranked in the top 80 on the list after declarations May 5th. The world rankings are a combination of two races since November 2022. Either two marathons or a half-marathon and a marathon. There are bonus points for the trials because they are a national championships so they fall under category B on the World Rankings: see 4.3.1 category B.
LRC note. USATF has gotten back to us and told us they WILL honor the order of finish at the Trials for all who have broken 2:11:30. Details and discussion here:
USAFT has gotten back to us with some clarification about the Paris 2024 Olympic team selection process and it's contain great news as detailed here:https://www.letsrun.com/news/2023/12/usatf-will-honor-order-of-finish-at-us-...
