1:49?! This is a joke right? The dude ran 45.94 OVER HURDLES. I don't think you realize how close 800 and 400h training really is. Looks at Anna Hall, who can run about 2:02 just playing around with the event. AT WORST this guy is running 1:46-1:47. I would call within 2 seconds of Jakob competitive.
You would - but it isn't. Over that distance it is a gulf.
Also, what 400hurdler was ever competitive over 800? There's an obvious reason why no runners doubled over those events. They are completely unrelated in what they require. Being good at one has nothing to do with the other.
Idiot Armstrong gets exposed here for the fool that he is and then he doubles down on stupid by continuing to insult others. You can’t make it up.
Harold Schmid, one of the few 400 hurdlers to give Edwin Moses a run back in the day - 1:44.83.
That information about Schmid was posted a page earlier, if you were following the thread.
This would be the third time that I would have argued with you specifically about this topic on letsrun so i'm not gonna go TOO deep but from a training perspective a good 400 hurdler more often than not will be capable of running a good 800. There is just so much overlap terms of workouts.
Closely-related means that the qualities necessary for one event are easily found in another. If that were so with the 400h and the 800m we would see runners regularly participating in both events - like 800/1500 runners, or the declining breed of 400/800 runners. But we don't.
You and Impala have mediocre minds. You both lack the intelligence to seem that the 400m hurdles is one of the events most likely to transfer to 800m.
Of course it's ONE of the most likely event to transfer to the 800. There isn't 15 canditates. It's not the 100 nor the marathon. We didn't say anything against that. We said that it isn't THE most likely event to transfer to 800. And the fact that is "one of the most likely" doesn't guarantee at all that the transfer is good.
You would - but it isn't. Over that distance it is a gulf.
Also, what 400hurdler was ever competitive over 800? There's an obvious reason why no runners doubled over those events. They are completely unrelated in what they require. Being good at one has nothing to do with the other.
Idiot Armstrong gets exposed here for the fool that he is and then he doubles down on stupid by continuing to insult others. You can’t make it up.
You and Geed are the one insulting. Look in the miror sometimes.
If there were no such thing as 400 hurdles, the most obvious best event for those athletes would be the 400m flat. If we look at 400m runners, there are the types who have a smoking fast 200m and the type who are not fast enough to really be competitive at 200m. This second type are the kind who would probably have more potential at running a decent 800m. Because the 400 hurdles needs more strength than the 400m flat, most successfull 400 hurdlers probably fall into that second group. (The only 400 hurdlers I can think of who can compete with top 200m runners are Rai Benjamin and Sydney McLaughlin-Levrone, leading me to believe that they probably would have less upside than some others if they decided to try the 800m.) So when people say that 400 hurdlers can run a good 800, I think they're saying that they are more likely to have that ability than a typical 400m runner. There was a Canadian runner named Ian Newhouse who was good at a national level and ran 49.8 for 400 hurdles and 1:46.88 for 800m back in the 80s and he's an example of a guy who competed often in both events.
Karsten Warholm or Femke Bol in a 600m would be really interesting.
A 600 with a two-turn stagger (no pacemakers) would be interesting to me. If a Diamond League put one on and allowed athletes from the 400, 400H and 800 to apply points I’d be interested to see how it shook out.
This thread has me wondering what kind of 400 hurdles potential Alberto Juantorena had. He probably would have been pretty good with that monster stride. Moses could run 13 strides the whole way while his competitors could not. I could see Juantorena having been capable if he had pointed himself in that direction.
Karsten Warholm or Femke Bol in a 600m would be really interesting.
A 600 with a two-turn stagger (no pacemakers) would be interesting to me. If a Diamond League put one on and allowed athletes from the 400, 400H and 800 to apply points I’d be interested to see how it shook out.
Ugh, I hope a meet would actually get on this. Now that I think about it, this would be amazing.
Dream 600 might have:
Sumner, Warholm, Benjamin, Dos Santos, Jakob, Habz, WVN, Gardiner, Norwood, Kinyamal, and Wanyoni.
Oh and FYI 400m hurdler Harold Schmid who had a faster 200 PR than Warholm and nearly identical flat 400 m speed ran 1:44 for 800 M several times.
So....... thanks everyone for the physiology "lessons".
What was his 200m PR? Warholm split 20.8 in an indoor 400m and I think 21.5 in the 400h, he’s definitely good for 20.3 or better in good conditions outdoors, so probably a lot faster than his official 200m PR. He’s a natural sprinter who does a lot of endurance training to be good at the 400m distance but he would fall off a lot at 800m.
You would - but it isn't. Over that distance it is a gulf.
Also, what 400hurdler was ever competitive over 800? There's an obvious reason why no runners doubled over those events. They are completely unrelated in what they require. Being good at one has nothing to do with the other.
Idiot Armstrong gets exposed here for the fool that he is and then he doubles down on stupid by continuing to insult others. You can’t make it up.
You show there you have no facts to offer but only bluster.
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That information about Schmid was posted a page earlier, if you were following the thread.
This would be the third time that I would have argued with you specifically about this topic on letsrun so i'm not gonna go TOO deep but from a training perspective a good 400 hurdler more often than not will be capable of running a good 800. There is just so much overlap terms of workouts.
Yet the fact remains that most don't run "a good 800". You just think they should be able to because of their training. It isn't training that determines what they can do but whether they have the combination of aerobic capacity and speed to succeed at the longer event. You don't have the data to support that claim. So we see many 1500 runners performing at a world-class level over the 800 but very few hurdlers.
This thread has me wondering what kind of 400 hurdles potential Alberto Juantorena had. He probably would have been pretty good with that monster stride. Moses could run 13 strides the whole way while his competitors could not. I could see Juantorena having been capable if he had pointed himself in that direction.
Juantorena was the last athlete who could compete at the top in the 400 and the 800 - and that was back in '76. It shows how hard it is to move up from the shorter event. Warholm would likely find the same or we would have seen him competing over the longer distance.
Whoever thinks Karsten would run a 51 second 1st lap and be hurting even a tiny little bit is on the stupid sauce.
Maybe something would happen at 600, maybe not, but good 400 and hurdlers move up to good 800 right off the bat lots of times. Pure 1500 runners don't, they have to train themselves up to it.
No idea what Jakob could do first up. His slow starts plus the big evenly seeded European fields would make it tough. But I'd almost certainly expect him to be sub 1.44 in race 2 or 3.
Warholm is a mystery, but based on the training article, I'd guess he'd be sub 1.47 to open, then who knows. I'd like to see him and Dos Santos race early season 800s, win/win for them and the sport. I suspect Dos Santos could dominate the current global 800m guys.
Whoever thinks Karsten would run a 51 second 1st lap and be hurting even a tiny little bit is on the stupid sauce.
Maybe something would happen at 600, maybe not, but good 400 and hurdlers move up to good 800 right off the bat lots of times. Pure 1500 runners don't, they have to train themselves up to it.
It's the opposit. All sub 3:33 1500 guys, even the 1500/5000 guys, can run 1:48 or better without specific training (even most 3:35 guys can), some 400/400h guys can but a lot cannot, especially those who are 200/400 runners.
