Thanks, I look forward to it as I only can read English and Australian.
1. In the month of May there were 63 Kenyans who were suspended by the AIU not counting a number of numerous other cases with provisional suspensions.
2. A budget of 25 million US dollars has been allocated for combating the doping problem in Kenya over five years.
3. Kenyan roadrunners, up till now not controlled, will be much more controlled in the future at the National and the local levels.
4. Testing of roadrunners throughout the nation has already started this summer with numerous cases and this will continue.
5. Full time salaried Kenyan employee will train local employees to combat doping at local levels in different regions of Kenya.
6. New technologies used in Europe and the developed world will also be used in Kenya to combat this problem.
7. Up till now, most of the testing was done on track runners but now the new policy will embrace everyone - track runners and roadrunners and cross country runners and no one will be able to escape the testing.
A radical cleanup will be done at the National and the local levels combating the problem and restoring Kenya to its previous glory naturally is the hope.
I mean I have to say this - I've heard some stories and seen some stuff that really point to Kenya (and Ethiopian) being absolutely rampant with doping. But man - 63 suspensions + multiple other cases/provisionals? In May alone? Holy sh-t.
And before "well there are lots of athletes there so maybe it's actually a %'age in line with the rest of the world" is used as some apologetic justification, of course it doesn't exactly work that way - not all actively competing runners in Kenya are up for doping control. I would then wonder what 63 suspensions alone in one month represents in terms of a percentage of their athlete testing pool because that number seems astronomical.
To this point I just don't get how anyone can claim "anti-African bias" or "racism" when showing scepticism with Kenyan athletes and their performances?
For example Kipyegon - sure she spends a ton of time in the Netherlands with Global sports and that group - but she is also spending a lot of time especially in winter, in Kenya training where doping is absolutely rampant and if she isn't doping, it has to simply be going on all around her. It's not racist or discriminatory to be sceptical given these statistics.
The doping figures quoted here are truly damning. Surely there must be insider knowledge of who is supplying the drugs, who is taking them? Maybe the people who are clean need to start being proactive and blow some whistles. As has been stated previously, the coaches and managers (mostly European it seems) also need to held as accountable as the athletes. Get serious - lifetime bans are in order, winnings should be returned and redistributed.
You say you haven't asked me a question when you have just asked three of them. I can always count on the thickest posters to reveal themselves.
In a single post you claimed those two things:
1) Everybody doesn't dope
2) many dope
They are contradicting, dummy.
No, I didn't post that. No, they aren't contradictory. "Many" does not mean "everybody". It means some do not dope, but many do. You are out of your depth - on everything.
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1. In the month of May there were 63 Kenyans who were suspended by the AIU not counting a number of numerous other cases with provisional suspensions.
2. A budget of 25 million US dollars has been allocated for combating the doping problem in Kenya over five years.
3. Kenyan roadrunners, up till now not controlled, will be much more controlled in the future at the National and the local levels.
4. Testing of roadrunners throughout the nation has already started this summer with numerous cases and this will continue.
5. Full time salaried Kenyan employee will train local employees to combat doping at local levels in different regions of Kenya.
6. New technologies used in Europe and the developed world will also be used in Kenya to combat this problem.
7. Up till now, most of the testing was done on track runners but now the new policy will embrace everyone - track runners and roadrunners and cross country runners and no one will be able to escape the testing.
A radical cleanup will be done at the National and the local levels combating the problem and restoring Kenya to its previous glory naturally is the hope.
I mean I have to say this - I've heard some stories and seen some stuff that really point to Kenya (and Ethiopian) being absolutely rampant with doping. But man - 63 suspensions + multiple other cases/provisionals? In May alone? Holy sh-t.
And before "well there are lots of athletes there so maybe it's actually a %'age in line with the rest of the world" is used as some apologetic justification, of course it doesn't exactly work that way - not all actively competing runners in Kenya are up for doping control. I would then wonder what 63 suspensions alone in one month represents in terms of a percentage of their athlete testing pool because that number seems astronomical.
To this point I just don't get how anyone can claim "anti-African bias" or "racism" when showing scepticism with Kenyan athletes and their performances?
For example Kipyegon - sure she spends a ton of time in the Netherlands with Global sports and that group - but she is also spending a lot of time especially in winter, in Kenya training where doping is absolutely rampant and if she isn't doping, it has to simply be going on all around her. It's not racist or discriminatory to be sceptical given these statistics.
1. In the month of May there were 63 Kenyans who were suspended by the AIU not counting a number of numerous other cases with provisional suspensions.
2. A budget of 25 million US dollars has been allocated for combating the doping problem in Kenya over five years.
3. Kenyan roadrunners, up till now not controlled, will be much more controlled in the future at the National and the local levels.
4. Testing of roadrunners throughout the nation has already started this summer with numerous cases and this will continue.
5. Full time salaried Kenyan employee will train local employees to combat doping at local levels in different regions of Kenya.
6. New technologies used in Europe and the developed world will also be used in Kenya to combat this problem.
7. Up till now, most of the testing was done on track runners but now the new policy will embrace everyone - track runners and roadrunners and cross country runners and no one will be able to escape the testing.
A radical cleanup will be done at the National and the local levels combating the problem and restoring Kenya to its previous glory naturally is the hope.
For example Kipyegon - sure she spends a ton of time in the Netherlands with Global sports and that group - but she is also spending a lot of time especially in winter, in Kenya training where doping is absolutely rampant and if she isn't doping, it has to simply be going on all around her. It's not racist or discriminatory to be sceptical given these statistics.
Global Sports, the one that's run by the 800 m National Record, set in the 1992 Barcelona Olympics final? Only the dirtiest game ever. Peak EPO, before hematocrit was even limited or checked, before an EPO test. She beat everyone, including 40 more years of inspired compatriots. Oh, she came from an injury, classic Dutch hero story. Now what's a great recovery therapy include? She works as talent manager, as top invitational promoter, high official at the Dutch federation and for the largest newspaper as columnist. Luckily, as a 1992 gold winner, you're by definition above all hypothetically conflicting interests...
Caveat: the following is all pure speculation on my part.
"Surely there must be insider knowledge of who is supplying the drugs, who is taking them?"
lol everybody knows. And by everybody, I mean EVERYBODY.
Everything is known by everybody on all sides of the issue. What continues to happen is a sort of group dance--people say things, people do things, people try things, it's all out in the open and announced, to give them all a chance.
What we see in Kenya represents a focus of testing resources, and an "OK go for it, we'll see what happens" response from inside Kenya. They don't much care, because the country, the clubs, the athletes, and the coaches all know that some will slip through, and that it really doesn't matter which one--but it is best if they are golden, like a Kipyegon, and become a darling of the scene. It is always tougher for track to shoot itself in the foot.
The various entities involved are feeling each other out at this point--capabilities, intentions, procedures, appeals, bribes, etc. We will see how it all shakes out.
Let me state this: pretty much any track powerhouse would have similar results if resources were focused upon them: USA, UK, JAM, BAH, CHN, NOR, TUR, ETH, NGR, RUS, RSA, various mideast and North African countries, NCAA, etc.. Things come and go, though.
There is nothing wrong with cleaning a bit of house, one country at a time. KEN was a good place to go, lots of low-hanging fruit with desperately poor and uneducated athletes manipulated by slimy Italian (and other) coaches and agents.
And there I come to the issue: the coaches and agents. The athletes are just out for a few bucks. Sometimes they make a big hit, then disappear. Most often they end up with nothing to show for their efforts 10 years later...but the coaches and agents are the real problem. They are not only the ones executing and facilitating these things, they are the ones who have the initial idea. It all starts with them. To clean things up, criminal penalties are needed for what amounts to drug offenses, and massive asset forfeiture and civil penalties to disgorge profits and make restitution.
Will those things happen? No, because it's complicated, and therefore expensive. Right now, it is easier and much cheaper to target the athletes, who in a perverse way represent the symptom rather than the cause.
Kenya is not special. Ireland was not special. Jamaica is not special. The USA is not special. The NCAA is not special. Ethiopia is not special. Russia is not special. Norway is not special. Nigeria is not special.
It's funny to see Kipyegon destroying doped WR's, while "the hammer is being brought down" on Kenya. The big news-making stars will not be touched, just like Dolt. They ARE track and field. Nobody outside the 10 hard-core track fans in the world cares about lane fillers. They don't even care who makes a final. They don't even know or care about the silver and bronze medalists.
Track exalts victory over competition--and the bigger the victory, the more exalted. A victory over all of track history is the ultimate insulation. Right now we have some untouchables: Kipyegon, Warholm, Mondo, SML, maybe Crouser--anybody competing, who holds a WR. They might be asked to dial it back a bit, but only after the WC. Look what has happened to SAFP and ETH--they have disappeared. You know why? Because at least one of them didn't dial it back as asked. Why not? Because they hate each other, and are fighting their own internal war--and because at least one didn't listen, they are paying the price. You will see.
Until we return to the honor of competition as a standard, track is relegated to a revolving-door clown show.
This is all pure speculation on my part, of course. YMMV
Rojo said that if Kenya results were du to doping, so would be the case of other countries. Why only East Africa is prominent in Middle/Long distances.
You can do your statistics and see why only runners of East African origin are good.
While West/Central African runners are good in sprint and generally strength based sports.
That remind me the Senegal beating Brazil 4-2 in soccer yesterday, is it du to doping?
Rojo said that if Kenya results were du to doping, so would be the case of other countries. Why only East Africa is prominent in Middle/Long distances.
You can do your statistics and see why only runners of East African origin are good.
While West/Central African runners are good in sprint and generally strength based sports.
That remind me the Senegal beating Brazil 4-2 in soccer yesterday, is it du to doping?
MOSCOW (AP) — Senegal forward Keita Baldé will likely miss the World Cup after being suspended for three months for a doping violation. Keita, who plays for Spartak Moscow in Russia, was suspended until Dec.
I mean I have to say this - I've heard some stories and seen some stuff that really point to Kenya (and Ethiopian) being absolutely rampant with doping. But man - 63 suspensions + multiple other cases/provisionals? In May alone? Holy sh-t.
Not 63 suspensions in May alone, but 63 currently banned athletes, as of May. If it's 15-20 bans per year, over the last few years, with an average ban of 3-4 years, that's about what you'd expect.
