Somebody calm McArdle the F*ck down!!!

tell us what a 15:03 guy who has never coached a college athlete in his life has to say about a 28:18 guy.

tell us that coaches have invariable stalinesque authority over their athlete's lives, or even training logs.

that said, at least you have the wherewithal to admit something about yourself, unlike biwot. hopefully biwot is secretly a dart alum or friend, or else he is suffering from one of the worst cases of spiritual syphilis even this board has seen!

Point is that McArdle is only doing more harm to himself by trying to come back to finish the season. At the moment he is taking a couple of days off to let things heal. He should have done this a while back. Let's just hope he doesnt try to come back too fast too soon. It would be such a shame to see him be injured the rest of the year. Paix.

You see what I mean. I am a 15:03 guy by default. I come in as a 15:10 high school guy looking for low 14:00 and all I could manage was a 15:03. Based on my experience being coached, you do what the f%#k the coach says or you are out of there. They never controlled my life but they certainly dictate the workouts. In my case it was do the workout and see the trainer if you are hurting. I have nothing to say about a 28:18 guy except that 28:18 will become a distant memory if Tom is not careful. He seems to have enough talent to pop sub 28:00 if he can manage to get out of his injury streak though.

My advise is to actually read through all of Tom's journals, including the earliest ones. I think you'll see that his training is one of the most developmentally sound programs out there, it doesn't look to me like he hammers himself into the ground, rarely does he ever do more than 2 'fast' workouts per week. Not to mention, its obvious from his journals that he maintains some semblance of influence on his own training, so I doubt his coach is some sort of controlling fascist. He may be a little overzealous right now, but he's had some bad luck...his achilles problem seemed to go away, and then his knee became a real problem.

Broken ass 15:03 guy,

I am not going on slim information, I was coached by Barry in college. I am speaking from firsthand information, unlike you. Im sorry you sucked in college after a promising high school career. But dont assume every coach is a tyrant with poor coaching methodology just because yours were.

Read 4/23 post in Tom's journal.

Ok, I guess you improved tremendously and had a prodigious college career under Barry without any major injuries. I am just looking at Tom's injury streak and it looks to be the typical shortsighted college running environment. Since you claim Barry is one of the few coaches in the system that takes a long-term developmental view of his runners, then Tom's string of injuries must be because of Tom's shortsightedness. I am just wondering if Barry actually gets in Tom's face and try to calm him down or is he just pouring more gasoline on the fire. One or both are making a lot of training mistakes when it comes to injuries.

You will see a lot of the best college runners fall apart here and there, but somehow the best in the sport seem to avoid all of that. I guess by default, the best can't be the best if they are getting injured all of the time. It makes you wonder how much faster Tom could be if he was not constantly falling apart.

Yes, I had an excellent college career under Barry with no injuries whatsoever, and ran about a minute faster than your whiny ass. But that is beside the point.

The best in this sport get injured all the time.

Take for instance the fastest US men at 3000 meters over the last four years:

7:34 Goucher (always injured)

7:39 Broe (injured for most of the last 9 months)

7:40 Kennedy (injured for most of the last 2 years)

I would say that to be really good, you have to risk injury, and eventually will have to recover from some injury.

But you probably think these guys train stupidly too, or have bad coaches.

Leverone,

Just to play devil's advocate...

Goucher's most serious injury was because he was lifting rocks in his yard.

Kennedy's injury was from a car accident

Broe's injury was from steepling, not training

Also, none of these guys are the "best in the sport." Perhaps a better example would be Haile Geb (though he went for YEARS without injury... as has Tergat).

Leverone's Lovechild wrote:

Yes, I had an excellent college career under Barry with no injuries whatsoever, and ran about a minute faster than your whiny ass. But that is beside the point.

The best in this sport get injured all the time.

Take for instance the fastest US men at 3000 meters over the last four years:

7:34 Goucher (always injured)

7:39 Broe (injured for most of the last 9 months)

7:40 Kennedy (injured for most of the last 2 years)

I would say that to be really good, you have to risk injury, and eventually will have to recover from some injury.

But you probably think these guys train stupidly too, or have bad coaches.

Hey, you sound just like my old coaches. I am sure you would make a fine college coach some day.

Actually, I was talking about the best in the world. A Geb or

a Paula Radcliffe type. I would think that Kennedy would be the only one you listed that comes close to the best in the world. Kennedy lasted a good 10 years after college. It is true that the best get injured, but they move on after that.

Geb got injured last year, pulled back on his training and races, healed up and continued on. He always seems to be available for the important races. Tom will get to do the same when he finally gets the hell out of there.

I am sorry to read Tom's last post on 4/23, but it is not surprising.

Hey Tom, if you read this, COME TO SANTA BARBARA! Perfect weather, great place to train. Peace.

great place to party.......

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Mon- 6x1mile felt good on sat... but now my knee is f***ed again.

Tue- still f***ed.

Wed- still f***ed.

Thur- Finally not f***ed. Decided to hop in another weekday marathon.

Fri- What the hell?! Fucked again. Now restricted to bed rest to recover from injuries.

Sat- Tried to sit up. Hurt too much, decided against it.

Sun- Today I sat all the way up on my own, felt good to be pe vertical again. Maybe tomorrow I'll try standing today... but more likely just go run another insane workout with jarrod.

you guys are all dolts. if you have actually followed his training log and not the bogus examples put on the board you realize he is going about training smart and intelligently. He did start slow and progress like Jason said. He was on his way slowly back after months of bad luck when his knee started hurting him. mccardle is horse and intelligent with his training so f*** off. he just ran into some bad luck, thats it and when he gets healthy he will be destroying people.

Quality runs like 25miles in 5;40pace and 6x1mile is good stuff, but at the right time, like when you are healthy and relaxed and the workout is not going to take you apart!

I remember vividly of last April when I got back to Japan after a SHITTY Crescent City, so I did 40km (24.8miles) at 5;30pace in Osaka along the river.

GREAT WORKOUT, but it was one week before my marathon (Nagano). STUPID!!!!

So then my legs are f***ed, so I go do some 1000s on the track in 2;48 each. Again, my God it looks GREAT on the goddamn training log, but STUPID!!!!

Then I went to Nagano and had to dropout at 30km.

So, of course I fly to Hamburg for another shot, this time running my worst ever marathon, 2;55.

DO YOU SEE MY POINT HERE?

YES, workouts like 25miles at 5;40pace and 6x1mile in 4;30 look damned sharp on the training logs, but it is about being healthy and having fresh legs for the race....this is the most important thing!

Jason