I'm not mean. Your idea to run 2 xc races in one day is a really bad idea and you don't seem to be capable of understanding that it's a bad idea.
We as a sport will just stick with our current tie breaking method.
Explain it to me then instead of insulting me. An average high schooler running track can triple every single week, but a highly trained NCAA level athlete can’t run a measly 20% more just one time in rare circumstances to break a tie for the national championship?
YOU are the one who claimed that most teams would prefer to run a second race the same day in order to break a tie. So prove it.
Email the coaches of the top 10 xc teams and let us know if they want to run a second race. I look forward to the results of your survey.
Explain it to me then instead of insulting me. An average high schooler running track can triple every single week, but a highly trained NCAA level athlete can’t run a measly 20% more just one time in rare circumstances to break a tie for the national championship?
YOU are the one who claimed that most teams would prefer to run a second race the same day in order to break a tie. So prove it.
Email the coaches of the top 10 xc teams and let us know if they want to run a second race. I look forward to the results of your survey.
Got it. You have no insights nor creative solutions to offer. Just insults and criticism.
I will email the coaches. In the meantime, you can check out this link to info on the Double Trouble 5k and 10k where hobby joggers race a 5k and 10k back to back. Hobby joggers!
YOU are the one who claimed that most teams would prefer to run a second race the same day in order to break a tie. So prove it.
Email the coaches of the top 10 xc teams and let us know if they want to run a second race. I look forward to the results of your survey.
I will email the coaches. In the meantime, you can check out this link to info on the Double Trouble 5k and 10k where hobby joggers race a 5k and 10k back to back. Hobby joggers!
YOU are the one who claimed that most teams would prefer to run a second race the same day in order to break a tie. So prove it.
Email the coaches of the top 10 xc teams and let us know if they want to run a second race. I look forward to the results of your survey.
Got it. You have no insights nor creative solutions to offer.
I will email the coaches. In the meantime, you can check out this link to info on the Double Trouble 5k and 10k where hobby joggers race a 5k and 10k back to back. Hobby joggers!
As I've already told you multiple times the "solution" is to keep things the way they are and NOT run a second race.
I realize that you are surprised that other people don't think your "run a second race" idea is a good one.
It's hard for many people when they find out the idea that sounded so amazing in their own head when they first thought of it is actually not an idea that anyone else wants. Sorry. That's life. Not every idea is a good one.
I will email the coaches. In the meantime, you can check out this link to info on the Double Trouble 5k and 10k where hobby joggers race a 5k and 10k back to back. Hobby joggers!
Got it. You have no insights nor creative solutions to offer.
I will email the coaches. In the meantime, you can check out this link to info on the Double Trouble 5k and 10k where hobby joggers race a 5k and 10k back to back. Hobby joggers!
As I've already told you multiple times the "solution" is to keep things the way they are and NOT run a second race.
I realize that you are surprised that other people don't think your "run a second race" idea is a good one.
It's hard for many people when they find out the idea that sounded so amazing in their own head when they first thought of it is actually not an idea that anyone else wants. Sorry. That's life. Not every idea is a good one.
Over 20 people liked my idea. You don’t represent everyone. You’re just one person. A very rude person who offers nothing constructive.
I agree with you. Just award golds to the two teams that tied. They both ran very well and their aggregate score for the top 5 runners was the same. Think how good a runner has to be to be on a team that can win an NCAA title. Incredible runners and teams.
It’s idiotic and anticlimactic that cross country team score ties are resolved by “head to head” scoring. It shouldn’t be done by 6th man either because a championship shouldn’t come down to who had the best backup runner.
In other sports, ties are resolved by the only fair way to do it: MORE ACTION. Football and basketball have overtime. Baseball has extra innings. Soccer has extra time and/or penalty kicks. Why then do we resolve cross country ties by some arbitrary technicality?! It’s inane.
Instead, the tie should be resolved by a relay race over the same distance that was covered initially. So in the case of the tie between OSU and NAU, the top five finishers for each team should have faced off in a 5 x 2,000 meter relay (so each team collectively covers 10k). This is the ONLY fair way to resolve a tie.
I’m in agreement with what Dave Smith said, we knew the rules.
No changes needed. No matter what, someone will but, but, but about it.
The person that the out come most effected accepted the rules.
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This poster is obnoxious, and teams would never agree to it in a million years, but I've got to admit that a tiebreaker relay race would be extremely dramatic and exciting, and if one ever happened, we'd be talking about it for years after.
Brilliant. Make sure it's immediate:no recovery, no hydration or fuel, no warmups or changing into dry clothes. Team scoring is a numbers game. Ties should be a quick numbers break as well.
Have each top 5 runner submit a picture of their significant other or person they were last with intimately. Race official rates each person on looks using 1-10 scale. Top score wins. If runner does not have a significant other or has not been with anyone sexually, then they have 5 minutes to try to get with the race official if the race official is willing; otherwise, they just get 1 point. If the score is still tied, then have the coach submit a pic. This may also help crack down on inappropriate coach-athlete relationships.
We could also have the teams list out excuses for why they didn’t run faster for the outright win. The team with the most legitimate excuses wins. For example, one runner didn’t get a good night of sleep because there were kids running up and down the hotel hallways the night before. Another runner is going through mental health issues. A third runner ate too closely before the race, etc.
What the point of having 7 runners run if they don’t matter? I like the 6th man rule. Gives every athlete on the team an incentive.
Runners 6 and 7 already matter by finishing in front of other team's top-5, and serving as insurance if runners in the usual top-5 drop out or have an off day.
I dislike a 6th man rule. A team's score depends on its top 5 finishers. To break a tie it's best to continue using the top-5 in some way. The current system comparing each finisher head-to-head is the best.
Why not just add up the times of the top 5. While the points based on placement may be equal, it's much less likely that the combined times will match to the second.
What if we just used all three existing methods and then gave it to the better team, the team that won 2-3 (or all three) of the tie-breaks?
1. 6th runner (the high school model)
2. head-to-head 1-5 (the NCAA model)
3. Average time (of the 1-5 runners)
There is no way you could argue against the team that won 2/3 of these (or all three). And because we have smartphones and computers, we know the winner instantly.
p.s. I like races, so the OP's idea of a "race off" actually sounds fun. That said, it would never happen in real life nor we we always have time to hold an additional event after the scheduled meet is over...
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