Average_Joe, can you post the marathon results for both '84 & '88?
Average_Joe, can you post the marathon results for both '84 & '88?
a guy named tracy used to come train at uw-xxxxxxxx with the track team. he claimed to run a 10.2 in the 100, but didn't run very fast in practice, and had a difficult time not taking last in the tiny intersquad and local meets we ran at. he said he wasn't racing, just training and working on form.
then, he would tell us that he was going to texas for a big outdoor meet on the weekends he wasn't racing indoors with us. he would talk about how he had to go to get his picture taken for the id he needed to get into the meet, and then disappear for a few days.
i think the one time he raced outdoors, he couldn't break 12.
anyone ever hear of these big texas outdoor meets being held in january?
What about that guy who claimed a friend ran a 13:55 5k in trainers? Has anyone heard from him since?
Such a legendary feat must have been discussed a few times on this board.
bearpackrnnr wrote:
Average_Joe, can you post the marathon results for both '84 & '88?
Marathon results? I thought you said Steeple? (Incidentally, there is no one named "Bayless" listed in the steeple results (both heats and final) anywhere in 1984 or 1988)
Unfortunately, if he's lying about the marathon, I don't know if I can help you. I just discoverd that the results book I have -that I bought from USATF - does NOT list the complete results for the marathon. It DOES seem to list the complete results for the track events, including heats, but not the marathon. I'm really ticked off about this, actually.
Anyway, here's what I have: In the 1984 Trials marathon they list the first 10 finishers and then there is merely a line that says "108 finishers".
1. Pfitzinger - 2:11:43
2. Salazar - 2:11:44
3. Tuttle - 2:11:50
4. Gordon - 2:11:59
5. Matthews - 2:12:25
6. Sandoval - 2:12:41
7. Meyer - 2:13:29
8. Rodgers - 2:13:30
9. Vega - 2:14:18
10. Raunig - 2:16:02
108 Finishers
In the 1988 Trials marathon
1. Conover - 2:12:26
2. Eyestone - 2:12:49
3. Pfitzinger - 2:13:09
4. Gombpers - 2:14:20
5. Curp - 2:14:40
6. Norman - 2:15:49
7. Hodge - 2:16:56
8. Meyer - 2:17:40
9. Spence - 2:17:49
10. Willis - 2:17:59
77 finishers, 38 non-finishers
Sorry, I really thought it would have the complete list. I feel like I've been gypped in buying this book
It's probably just as well (for me, that is). Typing the complete list would be a pain in the ass
thanks Average_Joe!!!
he has also claimed to be the alternate for the '88 olympic marathon team. so this proves that he was not.
it makes me feel great that i am coached by a liar. sucks!!
Mine's simple, I have a coworker who sees me running and tells me about his "glory" days. Apparently he ran a 16:30 5K and 1:40 20 miles. But then again who doesn't slow down for a 5K...
check out:
http://www.ursinus.edu/content.asp?page=wintersports/ITrack/Coaches.html&tab=wintersports
His bio on the school website says: "He also reached the 10,000-meter and marathon Olympic Trials Qualifier from 1984-1988 and was named a USA Track and Field Coach in 1998."
I am 32 years old and my 5K PR is 19:16. Nothing impressive I know, but I train pretty hard for it.
My boss keeps telling me what a "natural athlete" his 15 year old son is. He's supposedly an expert swimmer, runner, soccer player, plus the young ladies apparently can't leave him alone.
He told me that his son ran "low 18" for 5K, w/o training for running at all (he's so fast b/c he plays soccer he says), and even though he "didn't care" about the race.
I look up the son's time...no 5K records whatseover, but turns out he ran 43:14 for a 4 mile race one year (at 12), and 27:?? for 4 mile race at age 15.
I can't seem to find the start lists for the 1984 and 1988 trials 10k and marathon anywere. Anyone?
Maxipads wrote:
HAS ANYONE HEARD OF MAX HARN??? HUGE LIAR ABOUT HIS PR'S.
What kind of times did he tell you he ran? He has run 13:46 for the 5000m in a race a few years back against Dan Held whom he beat by one second. If he is lying about his times, he can't be lying by much considering how fast he is. I think Max is nice guy and one of the few people that actually wave hello to other runners in the arb. His times aren't that hard to look up since he has raced thousands of times. You might think he is slower now since he is over 40.
Harn was the 1990 8k national champ in a not too shabby 22:46. His times are fast but he's not a household name so when he says he's run a 13 and change 5k you automatically think he's full of $hit. Lots of 13 something 5k'ers out there you've never heard of.
That phrase "reached the Olympic Trials qualifier" seems to exonerate him in my opinion. Just means I think that he COULD have run in the Trials if he wanted to, nothing more. It certainly does not say he ran. But I'd have to know exactly what he has said verbally to give him a clean bill of health.
I was stationed in Germany while in the Army back in the early-70's. My mile PR before going to Germany was 4:22. I get into a club meet and run the "metric mile" and suddenly blast a 4:02, with dudes running 3:55. I had no idea that the "metric mile" was 1500 meters, so I go around telling everyone that I had just popped a 4:02 mile. For at least a week I was totally convinced that I was going to go sub-4 real soon, at age 18.
Man, was I embarrassed when I found out what the hell the "metric-mile" was.
one of my team mates entered the great north run, mis reading the entry form, he thought it asked for his 10 mile Pr so he put down 65mins, a few weeks later, he got sent his race number, it turned out he had been accepted in to the elite mens race and had been given an offical elite number, he then realised the entry form must have asked for his half marathon pr, he was too scared to run in the elite race and phoned the organisers so he could start in the main pack of club runners.
his bio does state "reached olympic trials qualifier" but he has stated that he was the "alternate" for the '84 & '88 olympic marathon team. i once heard him say that he was ON the '88 olympic marathon team, this is when i started to smell B.S. and began researching his results.
My favorite was a guy I was selling a treadmill to. I told him it went up to 10 mph and he told me that was way too slow. He said in the army he and his squad would run a mile in 3:30. I politely explained what the world record was and who held it... but nope.... this fat ass actually killed El G. The best was when I had him get on and cranked it up to 10 :) Flew right off the back.
he was an alternate, right up until they head the Trials to determine the ACTUAL team members...
His bio is confusing at best, and disingenuous at worst.
STL_Runner wrote:
Holy cow - too many of them to remember. Here are a few.
A guy in one of my engineering classes checked and saw that our school record in the long jump was 24 feet. He told me that wasn't very good for a school record because he jumped 23 feet in high school and didn't even make it to state. I knew that this guy went to a Div III high school in Wisconsin so I called his lie and said "So you went 23 feet in Sectionals and didn't even make it to state?" He said no, that he only went 22 feet in Sectionals and that got him third place. Yeah right, I looked it up and 22 feet would have had him seeded to win state in the year he was talking about and it only took like 20'6" to make it to state.
that is believable. In tx, there was a district meet where 4th place leaped a 23 footer and didnt make it out because only top 3 makei t to regionals. it actually happened last year in the Cinco Ranch district
A couple years ago there was a sprinter at our DI school who actually ran 6.16 in the 55m (Tied for first in the nation at one point). Needless to say this guy was really fast and there was no need for his times to be exaggerated, however, his 100m times were not as fast by comparison (10.4x on average). A guy who knows him said that he once ran a 9.11 as a freshman in high school. I explained the impossibility of such a time but of course this kid was convinced. I tried to reason with him and say "Maybe it was a handtimed 100y", but even then a 9.11 would be absurd for a freshman in high school.
I've run:
8.1 100 meters
16.7 200 meters
35.76 400 meters
1:24.08 800 meters
3:07 mile
11:03 5k
23:14 10k
1:48:23 marathon
Plus i was the alternate for the '88 Olympic Maraton Team