Great performance. But, it's still 2+ seconds behind the current world record.
It was the mid-1980's - nearly 4 decades ago - just over a second off the then wr and only two people - maybe three - had run faster than him at that time, as I recall.
You recall incorrectly. Coe, Cruz, Koskei and Gray had run faster already.
and he was damn in good shape (1:43:16 in the 800m two days later).
Aouita had at least one year lost dealing with the Brit milers.
As I recall, Cram and Aouita raced each other in the 1500m or Mile four times, with Cram winning three. There might have been a qualifying round that I left out. I wish we had TrackBot the way we used to to compare performances of runners.
As I recall, Cram and Aouita raced each other in the 1500m or Mile four times, with Cram winning three. There might have been a qualifying round that I left out. I wish we had TrackBot the way we used to to compare performances of runners.
I asked Aziz Daouda in twitter. Do you think that Aouita and Cram were avoiding each other? As hypocrite as he is, he answered: "Aouita and Cram never avoided each other and as you know Aouita won most of his races".
Now the thing is: Cram avoided Aouita the years where it counted: 1986, 1987, 1988 and 1989.
Aouita encountered a a 10 times the American champion and
Even as haughty as he is and as scrupulous as he about his "reputation", Sebastian Coe arranged his own race (far from the others) in 1986 (September) and still failed to beat the WR.
I asked Aziz Daouda in twitter. Do you think that Aouita and Cram were avoiding each other? As hypocrite as he is, he answered: "Aouita and Cram never avoided each other and as you know Aouita won most of his races".
Now the thing is: Cram avoided Aouita the years where it counted: 1986, 1987, 1988 and 1989.
Aouita encountered a a 10 times the American champion and
Even as haughty as he is and as scrupulous as he about his "reputation", Sebastian Coe arranged his own race (far from the others) in 1986 (September) and still failed to beat the WR.
Aouita avoided Cram in 87 by running the 5000m in Rome.
Aouita avoided just about everybody - Coe, Cram, Ovett,, even Bile in 87. Then pulled out of the 1500 in Seoul with a lame excuse.
Coe was almost 30 in 1986 and would have broken Aouita's WR if not for having to run around the pacemaker.
I know it's not the subject of the thread. But other threads just were deleted, so I thought it's a good opportunity to ask you here. But for sure you won't answer, regardless in which thread the question is asked.
If it were a thread subject or related to it I would. But to engage in it here only invites post deletion, for obvious reasons.
No, you wouldn't. And you hadn't when it was asked in a thread there was relation to the subject.
I asked Aziz Daouda in twitter. Do you think that Aouita and Cram were avoiding each other? As hypocrite as he is, he answered: "Aouita and Cram never avoided each other and as you know Aouita won most of his races".
Now the thing is: Cram avoided Aouita the years where it counted: 1986, 1987, 1988 and 1989.
Aouita encountered a a 10 times the American champion and
Even as haughty as he is and as scrupulous as he about his "reputation", Sebastian Coe arranged his own race (far from the others) in 1986 (September) and still failed to beat the WR.
I agree that Cram was in very good shape in 1986. He won three championships and he ran close to his best at 800 and 1500m. I do think that going out in 50.6 or 50.8 could have led to low 1:42, maybe even better. After all, he crushed Cruz in the 1:42.88. I think that the 1500m of low 3:30 showed that he didn't quite have the form--and didn't have the competition--of his world record 1500m or especially of that easy, smooth 53 close in the '85 mile wr, which Cram has said could well have been 3:44 or 3:45 had he taken advantage of how fantastic he ended up feeling and gone faster the first three laps. When he slowed from 12.3 to 12.7 in the last 100m of the 1:43.22, perhaps it was in part due to the lack of competition because he really was not pressed. We know that what he did when he was pressed was to start turning his head back and forth like a horse, which he does in the 3:30 1500m at the end and which he did when he was beaten by Coe in LA in 1984.
Don't forget that in that Zurich 800m in 85 (1:42.88) he was at his all-time peak form and Cruz, who had some on/ off injury problems early summer, was not the same athlete he had been in LA 84 (and on the circuit thereafter). I think he ran around 1:43.2 that night and then ran sub 1:43 in his next 3 races, but all slower than he's run post LA the year before. So Cruz was in very good form, on the up for the season, but not at his very best, in my opinion. Also, in that 1:42.88 race Cram had pacing (and a lot of drafting) up to 700m, which is going to help a bit. I think 1:42.5 was about his absolute limit, based on a 47 high/48.1 (confirmed time trial) 400m ability. I can't think of any other athlete with a pb faster than 1:42.5 who was not at least a 47 low 400m runner?
Great performance. But, it's still 2+ seconds behind the current world record.
It was 1:43.22! Which would head this year's rankings by 0.3secs, and Cram was running on a slower track with inferior spikes! It is very comparable to any of the best performances over 800m. In that form in Edinburgh 86, he would have won this year's World Championships.
I asked Aziz Daouda in twitter. Do you think that Aouita and Cram were avoiding each other? As hypocrite as he is, he answered: "Aouita and Cram never avoided each other and as you know Aouita won most of his races".
Now the thing is: Cram avoided Aouita the years where it counted: 1986, 1987, 1988 and 1989.
Aouita encountered a a 10 times the American champion and
Even as haughty as he is and as scrupulous as he about his "reputation", Sebastian Coe arranged his own race (far from the others) in 1986 (September) and still failed to beat the WR.
What are you on about!? 86 was a double championship year for Cram and he faced Coe twice. He wasn't avoiding Aouita, who had no championships that year, he was focusing on trying to win 4 titles.
In 87 Cram had injury problems and in 88 they were due to meet twice at the Seoul Olympics, but both failed through injury.
Cram was out pretty much all of 89 with injury, so it's hardly surprising they never met. Not saying Aouita avoided Cram but there is hardly any evidence that Cram avoided Aouita either. Having said that, I would imagine that neither athlete would want to face the other unless they felt they were in top form, which is completely understandable.
Sebastian Coe arranged his own race (far from the others) in 1986 (September) and still failed to beat the WR.
What does this even mean!? He 'arranged a race' in which Scott, Maree, Chesire and Mei ran! They aren't exactly slouches.
He only failed to break the WR because Chesire speeded up to pass him as they approached the bell and then (unexplainably) slowed down in front of Coe, causing him to check his stride and then have to pass him wide on the bend. Coe reckons that cost him 0.5 secs and the WR.
It was the mid-1980's - nearly 4 decades ago - just over a second off the then wr and only two people - maybe three - had run faster than him at that time, as I recall.
You recall incorrectly. Coe, Cruz, Koskei and Gray had run faster already.
So he was then the 5th fastest in history, despite being a 1500/mile specialist. That's still pretty impressive. Only one of the 4 athletes ahead of him could match him over his specialty.
If it were a thread subject or related to it I would. But to engage in it here only invites post deletion, for obvious reasons.
No, you wouldn't. And you hadn't when it was asked in a thread there was relation to the subject.
I did respond to that question but you apparently can't read. Also, the thread wasn't about either Snell or Walker but a Dutch kid. But you are a bore. I will leave you to it.
No, you wouldn't. And you hadn't when it was asked in a thread there was relation to the subject.
I did respond to that question but you apparently can't read. Also, the thread wasn't about either Snell or Walker but a Dutch kid. But you are a bore. I will leave you to it.
I'm not talking about the thread about this Dutch kid. I can read, and you havn't answered the full question and you never will. Because the answer would question your whole letsrun doping agenda.
I did respond to that question but you apparently can't read. Also, the thread wasn't about either Snell or Walker but a Dutch kid. But you are a bore. I will leave you to it.
I'm not talking about the thread about this Dutch kid. I can read, and you havn't answered the full question and you never will. Because the answer would question your whole letsrun doping agenda.
No, it wouldn't. That you think so shows you really know nothing about doping in sports today. It is everywhere. But you can't see it.
I'm not talking about the thread about this Dutch kid. I can read, and you havn't answered the full question and you never will. Because the answer would question your whole letsrun doping agenda.
No, it wouldn't. That you think so shows you really know nothing about doping in sports today. It is everywhere. But you can't see it.
I find it fascinating that despite Super Shoes, better tracks, altitude tents, more $, a greater influx of Africans and tons of other advantageous technology ....ALONG WITH... all the " doping that is EVERYwhere" in track, that the 800m times run by Ryun, Snell, Coe, Cram etc....a million years ago, would still easily compete and/ or beat the best curreny performances/performers [ last couple years].
Something doesn't add up. anyone care to explain this to me?
The reason more 800s aren't run like that one today [ some are] could possibly be due to the fact that "experts" repeatedly say that it is impossible physiologically to run your best time or very close to your best possible time by running even splits. Even though many top 800m runners have shown this theory to not likely to be true. But... myths/biases Die Hard