'Natural born runners' myth goes home devastated

I do see that you have at least included doping as factors. Doping we have clear evidence for in the sport - and this has been so for some time. The other factors you refer to are much more in the realm of your own personal speculation, as "possibilities" but without any substantial basis for them. So while they may be present, as "possibilities", they may be insignificant as having a bearing on the events raised by the thread, particularly if they are very recent. You might wish to explore the notion of what is likely or probable as against what is merely possible.

Medals in Eugene 2022, 800m and up

East Africa (born) 8 - 9 - 9

North Africa / Spain 1 - 1 - 1

Rest of World 3 - 2 - 2 (does Athing Mu count as full human being?)

JI clearly is already one of the alltime greatest European distance runners. In a few years we might delete "European".

The other runners in 5000m final allowed the pace to be too slow over the first 4000m. Was J.I. the fastest 800m man in 5000m final yesterday? J.I.'s 800m person best of 1:46.44 certainly is one of the better 800m men for a 5000m man yesterday. J.I. did exactly what I told Grant Fisher to do: take the lead with 900m or 1000m to go. J.I. raced the shortest distance over the final 800m and J.I. split his final 800m in 1:52.xx. The other men in 5000m should not have allowed the pace to be so slow through 4000m.

they didn't allow anything to happen. it was hot and they were too tired to work harder than they did.

Fisher did a good job of tucking in near the front. His strategy was nowhere near as bad as it was in the 10000. He had good position, but should have come off the rail with 120 to go.

West African middle distance records are high school level. Now how much of this is genetics and how much of this is a lack of coaching and people with the talent to do the sport are steered towards it.

Kenya went to the front as a team and slowed the pace down. Go rewatch if you need to.

normally that’s not what participate means. participation in those sports is far greater than participation in track even if certain rare body types are preferable to elite play. even so, 40% of nba players are shorter than bolt and probably 90% of nfl players. sure bolt is taller than most sprinters, but he’s also the best ever, so it seems to be a fair benchmark.

i’d prefer to keep the conversation on distance running, i just wanted to point out again how bad your participation estimates are. 99.9% of east africans doing track is still the worst one.

my other question was not answered. perhaps because i responded to your main account. why do these ugandans you speak of have the same names as all the kenyan pros? two of which are affectionately featured in your alternate account username. these names are exceedingly rare in uganda.

The greatest white athlete is Tyson Fury.

Congratulations to Jacob for winning the race yesterday! He deserves it and africans congratulated him and respect him end of story! Devasted for what? It’s just a race man, as for who is better we are better in numbers! We are an army of runners! Did we accuse him of cheating or doping? No because we know if you work hard and have talent you might win sometimes! You win some, you lose some! That being said you seem to want to make it a racial thing how crazy is this in 2022?

You are wrong. I stand by my statements. Jacob Krop, Oscar Chelimo, Luis Grijalva, Mohammed Ahmed, Grant Fisher, Nicholas Kimeli, Yomif Kejelcha and Joshua Cheptegei all raced final 800m between 1:53.xx and 1:56.xx. An athlete is not capable of racing last 800m within (5 to 7 1/2)% of 800m personal best if too exhausted from the heat. It was not THAT hot. Surely the other 5000m runners would have been able to withstand sub-12:55 5000m pace better than the largest man in the field. The men split 4000m in 10:46.05 yesterday. That's 13:27.5625 5000m pace. Of course the sub-3:29 1500m man won. Posters said the same things I stated during peak Mohammed Farah era. If slow first 4000m, no sh!t the sub-3:29 1500m man won.

Look at the posts of Coevett, you will immediately realise he is a pure racist and not able to handle basic logic. Try to accept it.

This myth was destroyed forever all the way back in the 1990s when Ma's Army (with no alleged running culture, genetics, morphology) made the East African runners look like high school runners, just totally obliterating them. Where were the "natural born runners" back then? I highly doubt the Kenyan runners were clean themselves in 1993, but that was nothing compared to the industrial strength doping of the Chinese. No natural ability can beat chemistry at the international level in this sport, ever. The dominant force in this sport is not nature by pharmacy. To match them you have to match their doping practices.

Gebrselassie and Kiptanui looked like high school runners?

“people can’t be genetically inclined to be good at sports because they lost to people taking dangerous amounts of steroids”

Or: no unproven alleged genetic advantage can reasonably account for the levels of dominance we have seen in the sport given that doping athletes with no running pedigree at all utterly destroyed and outclass members of the group for which this alleged advantaged is claimed. And now we should just accept it when athletes far exceed known doping times based on a supposed natural advantage? LOL. Remember the first woman of East African descent who set the 5000m WR got busted for doping.

But what would you do if you were Seb Coe? The naive audience wants great performances, "unbelievable times" etc. That's the only way how to keep the sport alive because world records in most events have obviously been set by doping athletes and there is no possibility how to improve them naturally.

I included doping as a possibility b/c I’m not an intellectually dishonest weirdo like yourself. Several of the points I listed are probable, not just possible. Everybody but you sees this.

You’re either stupid or a liar or both.

Nothing in your post "devastates" the myth of natural born runners from Africa.

In fact, your post conveniently (your typical MO) fails to address the road running results and even the total medal count at these championships. You base the whole thing on the two races that are convenient to your "natural white supremacy" myth.

But I am writing to you for a different reason.
Last month you wrote about having no real friends, no girlfriend, no wife, of contemplating "checking out" early, of getting depressed and not enjoying life.

I feel sorry for you, man.
You are consumed by your anger and bitterness and I wish you would seek and find help.
There are people who turn their lives around later in life. You are still pretty young.
Don't be a hate-filled person. You can do better if you want to.

But like you said about the thread topic - there may be other possibilities. One of them is I am actually smarter than you. That's it. But you will never see that. You aren't smart enough.