Ok, they get tested in first world countries. Then what? They decide not to play sports? There has to be a few Americans and Europeans, but it does seem way less common of a condition outside Africa
There are a number of possibilities.
They may quit competitive sports upon learning their DSD.
They may be competing in non-restricted events in track & field or other sports that do not have stringent DSD rules.
They may be already on hormone therapy and therefore eligible to compete in the women's category. It is a common clilical practice to give hormone thepapy to people with 46XY DSD who idenfity as female to prevent masculinization. And this is done for reasons totally unrelated to athletic competitions.
Ok, they get tested in first world countries. Then what? They decide not to play sports? There has to be a few Americans and Europeans, but it does seem way less common of a condition outside Africa
The last two Europeans known to be XY with DSDs to compete in elite level international women's sports were women's World Cup alpine ski champion Erika (now Erik) Schinegger of Austria and Maria Jose Martinez Patino.
Schinegger, who has a DSD similar to Semenya's, was booted out of skiing shortly before the 1968 Winter Olympics by Austrian sports officials, and decided to bow out gracefully. He had surgery to "fix" his genital anomalies and went on to marry a woman with whom he fathered a daughter with no medical assistance. There's a good documentary about him on YouTube. He's a very decent, likable guy.
Martinez Patino, who has AIS (sounds like pretty extensive AIS, but it might not be CAIS - the records are unclear) sued the IAAF and won the right to compete in women's sports. The loophole Martinez Patino's lawsuit created allowing athletes with one kind of XY DSD to compete in women's events has been opened up wider and wider to allow in athletes with a host of other, very different kinds of XY DSDs.
Martinez Patino - who has served as a consultant to the IAAF and IOC on eligibility in women's competition - is an interesting case. On the one hand, MP says a main reason MP belongs in women's sports is because MP posses "femininity" and "a sure sense of womanliness" and MP's "womanhood" has been tested. On the other hand, MP doesn't think that other athletes with other XY DSDs are so womanly. MP testified against Chand in Chand's lawsuit against the IAAF and Indians sports authorities. Just goes to show there is no solidarity and unanimity in "the DSD community." No real community to speak of either. Not surprising since DSDs comprise 40 or so very different conditions.
The last time that the IOC did mandatory genetic testing on athletes seeking eligibility in women's events was at the 1996 summer Olympic Games in Atlanta. 8 athletes were found to be XY, DSD - but all were given clearance to compete. Six of them had already had their testes removed - which means their DSDs had already been diagnosed and "treated." (I say "treated" because in DSDs, as in most conditions, it's really not a good idea to remove healthy organs - and gonads are really vital organs. Most people with DSDs who keep their gonads do better over the course of their lives in terms of physical health, mental health and intimate relationships than those who undergo gonad removal.)
I imagine there are a lot of XY athletes with CAIS in women's elite sports. Because they can't use the T their testes produce, it gets converted to estrogen and they develop an outwardly female phenotype. They have some advantages over XX female athletes - XY CAIS persons are usually taller and narrower in the hips, plus no cycles, hormone fluctuations, periods, PMS, PMDD, pregnancies, gynecological problems. But if CAIS athletes were the only XY DSD athletes allowed into women's sports, a lot of people would be okay with that. It's all the athletes with other XY DSDs like 5-ARD - most of whom can father children - that are the bone of contention in women's sports, not athletes with CAIS.
So if I understand correctly, they basically banned black DSD athletes from the 800m and 1500m which allowed white Europeans such as Muir and Hodgkinson to win medals to the detriment of black 200m and 5000m runners (where white European women do not stand a chance for a medal). Got it.
The last two Europeans known to be XY with DSDs to compete in elite level international women's sports were women's World Cup alpine ski champion Erika (now Erik) Schinegger of Austria and Maria Jose Martinez Patino.
Schinegger, who has a DSD similar to Semenya's, was booted out of skiing shortly before the 1968 Winter Olympics by Austrian sports officials, and decided to bow out gracefully. He had surgery to "fix" his genital anomalies and went on to marry a woman with whom he fathered a daughter with no medical assistance. There's a good documentary about him on YouTube. He's a very decent, likable guy.
Martinez Patino, who has AIS (sounds like pretty extensive AIS, but it might not be CAIS - the records are unclear) sued the IAAF and won the right to compete in women's sports. The loophole Martinez Patino's lawsuit created allowing athletes with one kind of XY DSD to compete in women's events has been opened up wider and wider to allow in athletes with a host of other, very different kinds of XY DSDs.
Martinez Patino - who has served as a consultant to the IAAF and IOC on eligibility in women's competition - is an interesting case. On the one hand, MP says a main reason MP belongs in women's sports is because MP posses "femininity" and "a sure sense of womanliness" and MP's "womanhood" has been tested. On the other hand, MP doesn't think that other athletes with other XY DSDs are so womanly. MP testified against Chand in Chand's lawsuit against the IAAF and Indians sports authorities. Just goes to show there is no solidarity and unanimity in "the DSD community." No real community to speak of either. Not surprising since DSDs comprise 40 or so very different conditions.
The last time that the IOC did mandatory genetic testing on athletes seeking eligibility in women's events was at the 1996 summer Olympic Games in Atlanta. 8 athletes were found to be XY, DSD - but all were given clearance to compete. Six of them had already had their testes removed - which means their DSDs had already been diagnosed and "treated." (I say "treated" because in DSDs, as in most conditions, it's really not a good idea to remove healthy organs - and gonads are really vital organs. Most people with DSDs who keep their gonads do better over the course of their lives in terms of physical health, mental health and intimate relationships than those who undergo gonad removal.)
I imagine there are a lot of XY athletes with CAIS in women's elite sports. Because they can't use the T their testes produce, it gets converted to estrogen and they develop an outwardly female phenotype. They have some advantages over XX female athletes - XY CAIS persons are usually taller and narrower in the hips, plus no cycles, hormone fluctuations, periods, PMS, PMDD, pregnancies, gynecological problems. But if CAIS athletes were the only XY DSD athletes allowed into women's sports, a lot of people would be okay with that. It's all the athletes with other XY DSDs like 5-ARD - most of whom can father children - that are the bone of contention in women's sports, not athletes with CAIS.
So if I understand correctly, they basically banned DSD athletes
So if I understand correctly, they basically banned black DSD athletes from the 800m and 1500m which allowed white Europeans such as Muir and Hodgkinson to win medals to the detriment of black 200m and 5000m runners (where white European women do not stand a chance for a medal). Got it.
Good illustrations of the law of unintended consequences. All these policies have had negative, unanticipated knock-on effects. Which was inevitable.
I understand the reasoning behind making a loophole to allow XY CAIS athletes to compete in the category meant for female athletes. But the years-long efforts of sports policy-makers to keep finding ways to bend the rules so that XY athletes with totally different kinds of XY DSDs like PAIS and 5-ARD can be awkwardly shoehorned into women's sports was bound to backfire in all sorts of ways.
As for the race issue: as I am sure you know, the WA regulations pertaining to athletes with the specific XY, DSD conditions subject to the current restrictions do not just apply to black athletes. They apply to all athletes seeking to compete in women's events with those conditions of all and any races from all countries. It's just that the only countries that nowadays are exploiting youngsters with these XY DSDs by putting them on the world stage in international elite women's competition are countries in sub-Saharan Africa. Other countries have decided not to do this for a number of different reasons.
India always has a lot of athletes with the sorts of XY DSDs that Semenya and Chand have coming up the junior ranks each year. None of them are black or black African. But after these athletes are medically evaluated and shown to be XY with these specific DSDs, India boots them out of women's sports. Or tries to. Chand hung in there, sued and won before the CAS. But I suspect the next case with an XY DSD athlete like Chand or Semenya will turn out very differently. Lots of people in the sports world who've been looking into the issue of XY, DSD inclusion in the female category of sport seem to be thinking that maybe XY athletes with male sex chromosomes, testes, male levels of T and male-typical sensitivity to T who've been through male puberty of infancy and adolescence really don't belong in women's sports at all.
If the recent actions of the Confederation of African Football are any indication, a lot of sports officials even in Africa are getting tired of the charade and feel that Africa is not doing itself any favors by continually entering XY DSD athletes like Semenya in women's elite international competition under the pretense that they are just your average, run-of-the mill "women with naturally high testosterone." CAF just declared 10 star players on African national women's football teams ineligible for the Women's African Cup of Nations due to having "high testosterone" and failing "gender verification tests." Tellingly, the two top officials at CAF - who took office last year - are from South Africa and Senegal.
A few weeks ago, Semenya publicly hit out against African sports officials for failing to do enough to insure that women's sports remain open to African XY DSD athletes like Semenya.
“I think that, in this day, we have coward leaders,” Semenya said. “In this continent, people are quiet. I don’t know why they’re quiet. They’re not fighting for their own athletes. You have got to show up and work, fight for your athletes, and then African athletics will be great. At this moment it’s disappointing.”
When asked by BBC Sport Africa about Semenya’s comments and whether African athletics leadership has done enough for its athletes, Confederation of African Athletics (CAA) president Malboum Kalkaba said: “Sorry, I do not have an answer”.
The 31-year-old is barred from competing in her preferred 800m race by World Athletics’ differences of sexual development (DSD) rules introduced in 2019.
Semenya's gripes getting shrugged off like that by the head of CAA represents a sea change in attitude. For years, Semenya has been regarded throughout Africa as a heroic South African civil rights crusader all the contitnent is proud of and reveres, celebrates and must pay heed to, sort of like Nelson Mandela or Desmond Tutu.
Also, less than a year ago, a pan-African official went to the UN Human Rights Commission to loudly and angrily lodge formal complaints against WA and IOC for applying the XY DSD regulations to Christine Mboma and Beatrice Masilingi. By so doing, the official charged, the IOC and WA violated the Namibian athletes' human rights, denied them their dignity and discriminated against them for being strong black African women "from the Global South" who don't conform to "racist white European definitions of womanhood."
Ok, they get tested in first world countries. Then what? They decide not to play sports? There has to be a few Americans and Europeans, but it does seem way less common of a condition outside Africa
There are a number of possibilities.
They may quit competitive sports upon learning their DSD.
They may be competing in non-restricted events in track & field or other sports that do not have stringent DSD rules.
They may be already on hormone therapy and therefore eligible to compete in the women's category. It is a common clilical practice to give hormone thepapy to people with 46XY DSD who idenfity as female to prevent masculinization. And this is done for reasons totally unrelated to athletic competitions.
Globally, the majority of persons with the sorts of XY, DSDs at issue here - and particularly Semenya's condition, XY,46 5-ARD - do not "identify as female" after adolescence even if they were thought to be female in infancy and childhood and were "raised as girls." During and after puberty of adolescence, most of these youngsters come to see themselves - and to be regarded by others - as males.
However, in much of the world, the recommended course of action for decades now has been to raise them as males from the get-go and to help them accept and love their bodies "as is." Because apart from having atypical looking external genitals, there is nothing at all physically wrong with XY DSD persons like Semenya and Chand. So why undermine their self-esteem by treating them as though there is something wrong with them?
XY DSD individuals like Semenya and Chand are healthy human beings whose DSDs don't cause them any pain, disability or impairments. Since most are sexually attracted to women, they will find that their atypical genitals also are not a hindrance when it comes to finding loving life partners. Because lots of women don't mind if their partners have missing or minuscule penises. As Maria Mulduar famously sang, "It's not the meat, it's the motion..."
If they have 5-ARD, most will be able to become biological parents too if they have access to medical care. XY individuals with 5-ARD have been fathering children by getting sperm extracted from their testes and using it to inseminate their partners via IVI, IUI and IVF for at least 30 years.
Semenya has had no problems in this regard. Semenya is happily married to a beautiful woman who seems to love Caster a lot, and the couple now have two young daughters. Semenya's wife gave birth to the first in July 2019, and the second a year ago.
The only persons with XY 5-ARD who "identify as female" after puberty of adolescence are those who were subjected to medical interventions in childhood such as surgeries to remove their testes and "feminize" the appearance of their external genitals - and those who are under family or some other kind external pressure or incentive to keep "identifying as female" or pretending to in the public eye. Like all the athletes from Africa who in the current century have been given the chance to benefit from their XY, DSDs by using them to gain entry into women's elite sports where their testes and male levels of T give them an unfair advantage.
You approvingly say, "It is a common clilical practice to give hormone thepapy to people with 46XY DSD who idenfity as female to prevent masculinization. And this is done for reasons totally unrelated to athletic competitions" - as though it's widely agreed that subjecting kids to these sorts of interventions is a good thing. It's not widely agreed, though. A lot of DSD advocacy orgs, people with DSDs, and people who work with them think messing with the bodies of children and adolescents like this when they are under the age of consent - and when it will rob them of fertility and sexual function - is fundamentally wrong.
Semenya, Chand and all the other full-grown adult 46, XY athletes under discussion here say requiring them to take medication to lower their T is a violation of their human rights. Semenya says that when Semenya took standard estrogen birth control pills in an effort to lower Semenya's T to under 10 nmol/L, the negative effects on Semenya's physical health and mental wellbeing were so severe as to constitute "torture." Semenya says being on estrogen BC pills was like being constantly stabbed.
I think Semenya's complaints are overblown and histrionic. I also don't think Semenya belongs in women's sports. But I agree with Semenya's point that since there is nothing physically wrong with Semenya, it's unreasonable for others to expect, insist or require Semenya to take medication to change Semenya's sex hormones.
If adults with XY DSDs like Semenya et al feel this way, how can you so blithe about giving minors with XY DSDs "hormone therapy... to prevent masculinization"? Who is telling XY kids whose testes pump out normal amounts of T for their sex and whose bodies respond to their natural T as nature intended to see "masculinization" as a bad thing?
The only persons with XY 5-ARD who "identify as female" after puberty of adolescence are those who were subjected to medical interventions in childhood such as surgeries to remove their testes and "feminize" the appearance of their external genitals - and those who are under family or some other kind external pressure or incentive to keep "identifying as female" or pretending to in the public eye.
I donit think the child of this mother (Charlotte) was pressured to keep identyfing as a female. She (the mother) was initially told that her kid had CAIS, but then the kid started masculinization around age 12. Upon further examination, it was determined she had 5-ARD insead of CAIS. The child was consulted and given three options. Do nothing and live as a boy, take hormone blocker and delay the decision, and get her gonads removed and live as a girl. She chose the last one.
About half of people with 5-ARD identify as female if they are raised as female. People with PAIS (also covered by the DSD rule) are far more likely to identify as female if they are raised as female. (Close to 90%) Chand is one of them, and she wants a famous Bollywood actress to play her role in a bio pic.
Gender assignment in infants born with a difference in sexual development (DSD) remains one of the many difficult decisions faced by the multi-disciplinary treatment team as some of these children develop gender identity diso...
So if I understand correctly, they basically banned black DSD athletes from the 800m and 1500m which allowed white Europeans such as Muir and Hodgkinson to win medals to the detriment of black 200m and 5000m runners (where white European women do not stand a chance for a medal). Got it.
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India always has a lot of athletes with the sorts of XY DSDs that Semenya and Chand have coming up the junior ranks each year. None of them are black or black African. But after these athletes are medically evaluated and shown to be XY with these specific DSDs, India boots them out of women's sports. Or tries to. Chand hung in there, sued and won before the CAS. But I suspect the next case with an XY DSD athlete like Chand or Semenya will turn out very differently. Lots of people in the sports world who've been looking into the issue of XY, DSD inclusion in the female category of sport seem to be thinking that maybe XY athletes with male sex chromosomes, testes, male levels of T and male-typical sensitivity to T who've been through male puberty of infancy and adolescence really don't belong in women's sports at all.
Who are all these Indian DSD athletes that come up every year in the Junior ranks that got booted out by the Indian federation (going against the IAAF rules)? Can you give me 5 or 6 names?
India always has a lot of athletes with the sorts of XY DSDs that Semenya and Chand have coming up the junior ranks each year. None of them are black or black African. But after these athletes are medically evaluated and shown to be XY with these specific DSDs, India boots them out of women's sports. Or tries to. Chand hung in there, sued and won before the CAS. But I suspect the next case with an XY DSD athlete like Chand or Semenya will turn out very differently. Lots of people in the sports world who've been looking into the issue of XY, DSD inclusion in the female category of sport seem to be thinking that maybe XY athletes with male sex chromosomes, testes, male levels of T and male-typical sensitivity to T who've been through male puberty of infancy and adolescence really don't belong in women's sports at all.
Who are all these Indian DSD athletes that come up every year in the Junior ranks that got booted out by the Indian federation (going against the IAAF rules)? Can you give me 5 or 6 names?
Even if I knew the names - which I don't - I wouldn't reveal them. That's a violation of their privacy that would serve no purpose.
If you're interested in the prevalence of XY, DSD athletes in Indian women's elite track & field and whether their participation is a cause of concern for officials and a cause of distress for female athletes, a good place to start is with what "queen of Indian track & field" P.T. Usha has to say on the topic.
After the Swiss supreme court upheld the decision of the CAS in the Caster Semenya case, Usha predicted that a significant number of Indian middle-distance runners competing in girls' and women's track would switch events so they could compete in women's international events without having to comply with the then-new T restrictions WA/IAAF placed on XY DSD athletes - in exactly the same way that well-known XY DSD athletes like Niyonsaba, Mboma, Masilingi and Semenya have done since the so-called "Semenya rules" came in force:
“I think we have some such 20 athletes in our country. Most of them are running in the 400m and 800m with one or two in the 1500m,” said Usha in a chat with Sportstar on Wednesday.
Strangely, while the World Athletics' regulations for legally female athletes with differences in sexual development (DSD), who have male chromosomes (XY) and circulating testosterone in the male range, bar such women from running in elite international competitions if they don't lower their testosterone levels, it does not stop them from competing in national or State meets.
“If they are allowed in national meets, it will spoil the chances of other girls. First of all, when our natural girls see such athletes they will feel demoralised,” explained Usha.
“The right thing to do is to ensure that such athletes are not allowed in Nationals also. What is the point in allowing them to run in national meets if they cannot compete internationally?”
World Athletics bars legally female athletes with high testosterone levels from running in elite international competitions if they don't lower their levels, but says nothing about national, state meets.
Who are all these Indian DSD athletes that come up every year in the Junior ranks that got booted out by the Indian federation (going against the IAAF rules)? Can you give me 5 or 6 names?
In the run-up to the Tokyo Olympics last summer, Indian discus thrower Seema Antil filed a formal request with Indian sports officials that another Indian discus thrower undergo testing for an XY DSD:
On a day she qualified for the Tokyo Olympics, discus thrower Seema Antil asked the Athletics Federation of India (AFI) [by letter] to conduct a hyperandrogenism (testosterone and other androgens) test on one of her Indian competitors.
Seema has named the athlete in her letter but The Indian Express isn’t identifying her to protect her privacy.
Antil alleged that there is more than what meets the eye in the rapid improvement in her rival’s performance over a relatively short period.
“In my career spanning more than two decades, I have not come across such improvement in any athlete. Over the last four years, this 25-year-old has improved her performance by 12-14 metres, which is unusual. Hence, I request you to conduct a hyperandrogenism test on the athlete in the interest of a level playing field, sporting spirit and meaningful competition.”
Seema said if ... athletes with unusually high testosterone levels are allowed to compete unchecked, it would demoralise other women athletes and their coaches in the absence of a level playing field.
“There’s a lot of anger and dissatisfaction among women athletes over competition with such athletes. Even though their voices are muted at the moment, the feelings are bubbling inside.
So if I understand correctly, they basically banned black DSD athletes from the 800m and 1500m
Indian journalist KP Mohan noted in 2019 that those who believe Semenya and other athletes with similar XY DSDs belong in women's sports routinely divert attention away from the fundamental issue of whether it's fair for such athletes to compete in the female category by constantly making predictable claims
that human rights are being violated and that there is a racist angle to the ["high natural testosterone"] issue.
True, Semenya is from Africa. She had been in the thick of it since winning her first World Championship title at the age of 18 in 2009. Ten years down the line, after having won at two World Championships and two Olympics, she finds herself excluded from the middle-distance events...
This rule is not aimed at Semenya or Africa. One wonders whether Kenya is part of Africa as one understands it to be. Why has that country, that topped the medals table in the IAAF World Championships in 2015 and came second in the 2017 edition as well as the Rio Olympics a year later, not been “targeted” by the IAAF perhaps along with India (Dutee Chand in 2014).
Mohan also wrote:
During the past five years, that is since the Dutee Chand case came up, this journalist has also realized that very few people... understood where the extra testosterone was being produced in such DSD athletes. The question “do you know from where the testosterone is coming from” would often be received by silence or an “I don’t” answer.
That testosterone in “46, XY DSD” athletes comes from testes...
The question that scientists and activists on the side of the DSD athletes should be asking is, “if an individual is 46, XY DSD, has testes, has no ovaries, produces male-level testosterone, does not suffer from Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome and has no other medical condition that may remotely intervene in the classification, should such an athlete be considered as female and allowed to compete with the rest of the women?”
The scientists, who support DSD athletes or those in the media who do so, have no problem accepting the legal sex determined by anyone including unqualified, perhaps uneducated persons
I donit think the child of this mother (Charlotte) was pressured to keep identyfing as a female. She (the mother) was initially told that her kid had CAIS, but then the kid started masculinization around age 12. Upon further examination, it was determined she had 5-ARD insead of CAIS. The child was consulted and given three options. Do nothing and live as a boy, take hormone blocker and delay the decision, and get her gonads removed and live as a girl. She chose the last one.
LRC's software won't let me post the reply I wrote to this and the excellent video you linked to. I keep getting a notice saying "please don't post spamming links." There's no spam, swear words, insults or anything else objectionable in the response I wrote, so I have no idea why I am blocked from posting. Will try again later.
Totally uncalled for. Run Ragged is the best-informed poster on this board. Shame on you.
Thanks for the support. What was the diss/accusation this time? I've been called all sorts of insulting names on various threads. A number of posters have not only told me where to go, they've issued orders telling me how and what I am permitted and not permitted to post as well. Same old, same old.
the only one i can think of is santhi soundarajan,but hima das's gender has been questioned.she also hasnt run a 400 for some time.
It's interesting that when IAAF/WA's so-called Semenya rules came into force for middle distance women's events in October 2019, Hima Das withdrew from the first 400m race to which the new rules applied, supposedly due to a back problem - and hasn't competed in the 400m since. Das has switched to the 100 and 200 exclusively.
After the Santhi Soundarajan debacle in 2006, Indian sports authorities tried to be more careful about ascertaining the biological sex of athletes the country entered into women's and under-20 female competition in world and big-time international events. But less stringent standards still applied for athletes competing in events within India (and in some cases regionally) who hadn't yet reached the topmost heights of achievement in Indian track and field.
The "sex verification" testing that Dutee Chand underwent in India in 2014 was under the auspices of Indian sports officials, and Indian authorities were the ones to declare Chand ineligible for women's competition first, before the IAAF weighed in. This is why when Chand sued, the suit was against both Indian sports authorities and the IAAF.
In 2015 after Chand's suit was filed through the time in 2019 that the Semenya case was decided, the eligibility rules of IAAF and Indian authorities alike regarding XY DSD athletes were suspended - and in that time XY DSD athletes even from India would have been able to enter and compete in women's international and world events without restriction. Probably not coincidentally Hima Das - who is 4 years younger than Chand - started winning in international events in 2018.
I realize many might know these details already, but I am setting them out for those who aren't as familiar with these athletes or the timeline of events regarding them specifically and the rules and regulations generally.
Who are all these Indian DSD athletes that come up every year in the Junior ranks that got booted out by the Indian federation (going against the IAAF rules)? Can you give me 5 or 6 names?
Even if I knew the names - which I don't - I wouldn't reveal them. That's a violation of their privacy that would serve no purpose.
If you're interested in the prevalence of XY, DSD athletes in Indian women's elite track & field and whether their participation is a cause of concern for officials and a cause of distress for female athletes, a good place to start is with what "queen of Indian track & field" P.T. Usha has to say on the topic.
After the Swiss supreme court upheld the decision of the CAS in the Caster Semenya case, Usha predicted that a significant number of Indian middle-distance runners competing in girls' and women's track would switch events so they could compete in women's international events without having to comply with the then-new T restrictions WA/IAAF placed on XY DSD athletes - in exactly the same way that well-known XY DSD athletes like Niyonsaba, Mboma, Masilingi and Semenya have done since the so-called "Semenya rules" came in force:
“I think we have some such 20 athletes in our country. Most of them are running in the 400m and 800m with one or two in the 1500m,” said Usha in a chat with Sportstar on Wednesday.
Strangely, while the World Athletics' regulations for legally female athletes with differences in sexual development (DSD), who have male chromosomes (XY) and circulating testosterone in the male range, bar such women from running in elite international competitions if they don't lower their testosterone levels, it does not stop them from competing in national or State meets.
“If they are allowed in national meets, it will spoil the chances of other girls. First of all, when our natural girls see such athletes they will feel demoralised,” explained Usha.
“The right thing to do is to ensure that such athletes are not allowed in Nationals also. What is the point in allowing them to run in national meets if they cannot compete internationally?”
Ok, nobody got booted out. They simply cannot run the 400m, 800m and 1500m. They simply did not want them to compete in national meets in these distances (even if they are allowed). That’s fine. So the number of junior athletes that get booted out by the Indian federation is zero (like every country in the world).
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