INGEBRIGTSEN *:**.** for 4th place

Yeah, it’s as if training specifically for an event, or possessing the right physical attributes for the demands of a specific event makes a difference or something.
Who would’ve thunk it?

Not sure that's necessarily the case. El Guerrouj is the greatest and Bernard Lagat is up there. Neither of them could have contended at the 800m, but like Ingebrigtsen were both great at 5k. Plenty of other examples as well.

I am very familiar with H. el G.'s achievements. He was closer to a one trick pony type of 1500m as opposed to a S. Coe Steve Ovett type of 1500m runner. Fact: H. el G. was 1 of 3 on 1500m Olympic finals. 1996. I don't know what was going on in his head, but most runners who "accidentally fall down" in 1500m races tend to fall down between 1050m & 1100m. Extremely nervous and they go down. 2004. Lack of 400m/800m speed, H. el G. lost. 2008. H. el G. lucked out. Noah Ngeny suffered an auto collision with injuries.

He is still in heavy training phase. worlds is still 5 or 6 weeks out. Also his range is 1500m on up. He doesn’t have 800m speed. Thats why he races from the front or close to the front. He is an aerobic monster. I don’t know why so many are surprised. This race means nothing in the grand scheme of things. He probably ran a hard 15 miler the day before this meet

Did go also run 12:48 for 5000?

Coe was 8-15. Ingebrigtsen is 15-5000 for now and we'll see if that goes up to 10,000, 13.1 or even 26.2 eventually.

You're ridiculous. One trick pony? Without looking it up, I'd guess he's probably run about 10 of the fastest 20 1500m races of all time.

1996, are you saying he intentionally fell, after moving up to perfect position on the bell lap and clipping the heels of the runner ahead of him? Umm okay. And 2008 he lucked out? I wasn't aware he even raced then. I did watch him win the 1500m and 5000m in 2004 in Athens, beating Bekele who had just set the WR that year, but you probably don't remember that because you were getting your diapers changed.

There are a lot of events in which you can reasonably debate the greatest ever, but in the mile/1500m it's pretty undisputed.

El G is the gold standard.

1500m and 5000m Gold. Most dominant 1500m runner of all-time.

Yeah. I know. I lot of fast races. A lot of W.C. gold medals. Pressure is different at Olympics. I didn't say intentional. I sure doubt H. el G. lined up at the start of 1500m final planning to go down around 1100m mark. In big 1500m races, some 1500m runners go down between 1050m & 1100m. That does happen. I am not H. el G.'s psychologist. Yes a one trick pony. Could H. el G. have run in the pack with the other 1500m runners, 1976 Olympics final, 2:03.xx, 800m and 3:01.xx 1200m and defeat both John Walker & Ivo van Damme? Heck no! H. el G. would have to split 1200m in 3:11.xx + to race final 300m of 1500m sub-38!

At this point I'm pretty convinced you're just a troll, but El G could have been 70m ahead of "the pack" at 800m and not even running his PR pace if they were coming through in 2:03.x. Anyway, he split 2:01.9 in 2004 and that didn't stop him from winning in 3:34, while John Walker won in 3:39. You've gotta be kidding if you think that would even be a race.

On another note, props to ESPN for actually showing the NCAA men's 10k with limited commercial breaks.

And if they ran another 800m two minutes after this finish, how giant of a distance would Jakob have over the field?

At first I thought this was super disappointing -- but actually it highlights that his superpower is to get so close to 800m speed when he's at 1500m.

I used to run with a guy who had been in the Olympic 1500m final. He said at his best he could not run faster than about 51 all out, but that he could access very close to that on the last lap of a 1500, and that was good enough to win some big races and make two global finals.

Hopefully, we'll see about that soon. I'brigtsen's 800 time is an irrelevancy, much like Kiplimo's 1500 pb. More interesting is whether Jakob can match Jacob's range over the course of a year or so. Recall, in a 15 month period--Sep 2020 to Nov 2021--Kiplimo posted the following times: 7:26, 12:48, 26:33, 57:31.

That would have been good for 7th in the Day 1 NCAA 800 heats.

And no one in the ncaa can touch his age records in his diciplines. Who cares?

Coe raced the 800m at the 79 world cup, didn't he? They held it over 2 or 3 days, so doubling wasn't really a possibility.

The 1500m Moscow final had a clearly doped up Straub who, like Coe and Ovett, was surely in sub 3:30 shape. That's why Ovett lost to Straub (and Coe) after being undefeated for dozens of races, when the likes of Wesinghage, Walker, Scott and the rest couldn't get near him between 77-81. Straub was better than Ovett in Moscow, who had been untouchable for years, and yet Coe was able to beat him (Straub) too.

Of course, doped up Straub helped Coe much more than Ovett, making Ovett work hard even before the final, and then running the kick out of him over 700m in the final.

World Athletics says the scoring tables aren't to be used to compare women to men. It's not statistically calibrated that way - just men's performances to men's performances and women's performances to women's performances.

"Due to obvious biological differences, it is not proposed to fully compare men's and women's performances.
Thus, the system contains scoring tables for men's and women's events respectively."

This. If you run the 1500m in the last lap like Jakob, you don't have to worry about your final speed. Right before Oslo, however, that was probably okay. There are still 6 or 7 weeks until the World Championships, a bit too early for experiments.

Anaerobic Capacity is lacking.

Of course he has enough speed to run a world class 800m You don’t run <3:30 without excellent speed. If not overtrained he can run ~1:44 this summer

1:47 was a workout