Sadie Engelhardt has now run faster in the 800 than Athing Mu did at same age!

JonnyEx wrote:

factsizfacts wrote:

Her race in that 4x800 is pretty mind-boggling. Camera work is atrocious unfortunately, so it's tough to really say what she went through that first 400 in, but it's clearly well under 60.

Almost makes me sad seeing this. Her form was really beautiful as a freshman and yet Salazar, like 90%+ of posters here who watch the video think it was absolutely trash. Movement patterns are so misunderstood smh. They really turned her into a robot trying to "fix" her.

Cain was literally in sub-2:00 shape at this point; you know "right race right pacing" and all that.

Video:youtu.be/jgRe5Lar4Nk?t=399

Wow, she was so little back then! What fearlessness. You are completely incorrect, however, her form needed massive upgrades, so much wasted motion. I can see what Salazar saw in her beyond her natural talent and fearlessness... she almost resembles a young Ethiopian, but they have impeccable form. So if he could clean up her form, ensure all energy moving in the right direction, boom you get a World Junior Gold Medalist.

Rxx wrote:

Does anyone else find it fairly astounding that Willis and Gorrarian have already collectively run faster than Mu did in high school on three occasions, despite having almost a full outdoor season ahead of them?

800 METERS
1:59.51
*Mary Cain (Bronxville, New York)
2013
2:00.06i
Roisin Willis (Stevens Point, Wisconsin)
2022
2:00.07
Kim Gallagher (Upper Dublin, Fort Washington, Pennsylvania)
1982
2:00.58i
*Sophia Gorrarian (Brown, Providence, Rhode Island)
2022
2:00.65
Sammy Watson (Rush-Henrietta, Henrietta, New York)
2017
2:00.78
————Watson
2017
2:00.78
————*Willis
2021
2:00.85
Caitlin Collier (Bolles, Jacksonville, Florida)
2018
2:00.91
Ajee’ Wilson (Neptune, New Jersey)
2012
2:00.99
————Watson
2017
**10 performances by 7 performers**
2:01.15
*Juliette Whittaker (Mt de Sales, Catonsville, Maryland
2021
2:01.17
*Athing Mu (Central, Trenton, New Jersey)
2019
2:01.61
Chanelle Price (Easton Area, Easton, Pennsylvania)
2008

factsizfacts wrote:

Rxx wrote:

Does anyone else find it fairly astounding that Willis and Gorrarian have already collectively run faster than Mu did in high school on three occasions, despite having almost a full outdoor season ahead of them?

800 METERS
1:59.51
*Mary Cain (Bronxville, New York)
2013
2:00.06i
Roisin Willis (Stevens Point, Wisconsin)
2022
2:00.07
Kim Gallagher (Upper Dublin, Fort Washington, Pennsylvania)
1982
2:00.58i
*Sophia Gorrarian (Brown, Providence, Rhode Island)
2022
2:00.65
Sammy Watson (Rush-Henrietta, Henrietta, New York)
2017
2:00.78
————Watson
2017
2:00.78
————*Willis
2021
2:00.85
Caitlin Collier (Bolles, Jacksonville, Florida)
2018
2:00.91
Ajee’ Wilson (Neptune, New Jersey)
2012
2:00.99
————Watson
2017
**10 performances by 7 performers**
2:01.15
*Juliette Whittaker (Mt de Sales, Catonsville, Maryland
2021
2:01.17
*Athing Mu (Central, Trenton, New Jersey)
2019
2:01.61
Chanelle Price (Easton Area, Easton, Pennsylvania)
2008

Mu didn't race all that much in HS and was mostly AAU events since she didn't run for her HS so I wouldn't say "astounding" necessarily given Willis and Gorrarian have shown the speed to do so. Obviously super impressive though, yeah.

obvious answer wrote:

That is such BS. Who cares about her 3000m Gold? Didn't help her become a better runner. He focused on volume of work and losing weight (fine for Hasan who came to him a developed senior runner), and his weird sense of biomechanics.

She ran 1.59 at 17yo, faster than Mu or Hodgkinson at that age and they both ran 1.55 at 19yo. His crime (and I believe he should have been banned as a coach for that if nothing else) was to give up on her getting faster, because he didn't know how to coach it. At 21 she should have been a 1.56, 3.56 runner.

GDS was also in that 3000m race at World Jnrs (8th 9.14) and has gone on to run 1.58.7 and 3.56. The only reason she moved up then (her sister didn't) is that she struggled with 800m at that age for a bit (didn't make the OFSAA finals in the 800m in G10 and G11), didn't break 2.10 at the end of HS. Even that year (2014) after first year at University her best was 2.06.

obvious answer wrote:

That is such BS. Who cares about her 3000m Gold? Didn't help her become a better runner. He focused on volume of work and losing weight (fine for Hasan who came to him a developed senior runner), and his weird sense of biomechanics.

She ran 1.59 at 17yo, faster than Mu or Hodgkinson at that age and they both ran 1.55 at 19yo. His crime (and I believe he should have been banned as a coach for that if nothing else) was to give up on her getting faster, because he didn't know how to coach it. At 21 she should have been a 1.56, 3.56 runner.

GDS was also in that 3000m race at World Jnrs (8th 9.14) and has gone on to run 1.58.7 and 3.56. The only reason she moved up then (her sister didn't) is that she struggled with 800m at that age for a bit (didn't make the OFSAA finals in the 800m in G10 and G11), didn't break 2.10 at the end of HS. Even that year (2014) after first year at University her best was 2.06.