World juniors insane 800 m, Wanyoni 1:43.76, Al Gouaned 1:44.45, Kibet 1:44.88

El Keniano wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Let's hear it for "clean" Kenyan running. But the stats for doping busts seem to say otherwise - Kenyans are second only to Russia for being the worst doping offenders out there. They are certainly winning that "race". Here are the latest figures from the Economist.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/08/05/russia-and-kenya-take-the-podium-in-the-athletics-doping-contest

Kenyan running is a disgrace to the sport.

All this proves is Kenya caught its dopers in the last five years and banned them. Better than countries that pretend not even one athlete of theirs cuts corners. Ridiculous. I know second-hand from an insider that doping is rife in the All Blacks to this very day. Yet you have zero busts in athletics.

According to pest control, for every cockroach in the hallway there are forty behind the walls. That's what your busts tell us. There will be many more doping in Kenya who aren't caught. WADA has previously said Kenya has a serious doping problem. I don't think you can argue the countries with the most busts are the most virtuous.

I don't argue doping is confined to certain nations - it is everywhere. But some do it more than others. It will be present in NZ, as it will anywhere else.

El Keniano wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Let's hear it for "clean" Kenyan running. But the stats for doping busts seem to say otherwise - Kenyans are second only to Russia for being the worst doping offenders out there. They are certainly winning that "race". Here are the latest figures from the Economist.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/08/05/russia-and-kenya-take-the-podium-in-the-athletics-doping-contest

Kenyan running is a disgrace to the sport.

All this proves is Kenya caught its dopers in the last five years and banned them. Better than countries that pretend not even one athlete of theirs cuts corners. Ridiculous. I know second-hand from an insider that doping is rife in the All Blacks to this very day. Yet you have zero busts in athletics.

Comical.

It's like saying the murder rate is only higher in Mexico than Monaco because Mexico is better at catching its murderers.

There is documented corruption even among the official anti-doping testers in Kenya. You only had a WADA lab from last year, and likely because of the pandemic we will only start seeing the results now - and they are already coming thick and fast (even thicker and faster than the previous 150 busts).

El Keniano wrote:

All this proves is Kenya caught its dopers in the last five years and banned them. Better than countries that pretend not even one athlete of theirs cuts corners. Ridiculous. I know second-hand from an insider that doping is rife in the All Blacks to this very day. Yet you have zero busts in athletics.

'Second hand from an insider?' Sure Jan.

I know first hand from a million busts that Kenya is rife with doping. But I guess those countless cheats only go to prove that other countries are worse....right?

Tetley Tea wrote:

Comical.

It's like saying the murder rate is only higher in Mexico than Monaco because Mexico is better at catching its murderers.

There is documented corruption even among the official anti-doping testers in Kenya. You only had a WADA lab from last year, and likely because of the pandemic we will only start seeing the results now - and they are already coming thick and fast (even thicker and faster than the previous 150 busts).

No, genius. The murder rate is higher in Mexico because it has 127 million and Nauru only has 10K. Kenya has more elite endurance runners the rest of the world combined. The UK has like less than than 10 than can be considered truly elite.

Unsophisticated and uncoordinated, son. Not systemic. In other words, every doper in the testing pool will most certainly get caught.

trollism wrote:

El Keniano wrote:

All this proves is Kenya caught its dopers in the last five years and banned them. Better than countries that pretend not even one athlete of theirs cuts corners. Ridiculous. I know second-hand from an insider that doping is rife in the All Blacks to this very day. Yet you have zero busts in athletics.

'Second hand from an insider?' Sure Jan.

I know first hand from a million busts that Kenya is rife with doping. But I guess those countless cheats only go to prove that other countries are worse....right?

Oopsie

Back to the subject. Wanyonyi says he's coming for Rudisha's World Record.

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/sports/athletics/2001421489/kenyas-emmanuel-wanyonyi-wins-gold-in-the-800m-finals-as-noah-kibet-wins-bronze

El Keniano wrote:

Oopsie

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-8513525/British-2012-Olympians-guinea-pigs-Special-Forces-wonder-drug.html

Didn't have you down as Daily Mail reader Kenny. I suppose you're an uneducated British white guy, and that's the demographic they aim to appeal to.

That article is old and funny. A few British athletes got ketone drinks and a few puked because of it. The disclaimer is just a standard thing, ketones are not banned and have never been banned, they're just covering all bases in case something was to happen.

You fell for the sensationalism though, which proves you're certainly part of their target market. Highly emotional and easily manipulated. A very triggered bad mama.

El Keniano wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

According to pest control, for every cockroach in the hallway there are forty behind the walls. That's what your busts tell us. There will be many more doping in Kenya who aren't caught. WADA has previously said Kenya has a serious doping problem. I don't think you can argue the countries with the most busts are the most virtuous.

I don't argue doping is confined to certain nations - it is everywhere. But some do it more than others. It will be present in NZ, as it will anywhere else.

Unsophisticated and uncoordinated, son. Not systemic. In other words, every doper in the testing pool will most certainly get caught.

https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/files/final_public_report_on_kenya.pdf

Now you are in full apologist mode.

The only nation with more doping bans is that which is state-sponsored. As Kenya shows, doping can be rife without the state being involved - like any other kind of black market.

Kenyan dopers may be dumber than a lot of others but no one in antidoping thinks a 100% of their dopers are being caught when, on average, only 1% of tests result in a positive.

El Keniano wrote:

Tetley Tea wrote:

Comical.

It's like saying the murder rate is only higher in Mexico than Monaco because Mexico is better at catching its murderers.

There is documented corruption even among the official anti-doping testers in Kenya. You only had a WADA lab from last year, and likely because of the pandemic we will only start seeing the results now - and they are already coming thick and fast (even thicker and faster than the previous 150 busts).

No, genius. The murder rate is higher in Mexico because it has 127 million and Nauru only has 10K. Kenya has more doped elite endurance runners the rest of the world combined. The UK has like less than than 10 than can be considered truly elite.

Fixed. That's probably why so many of them are elite.

Armstronglivs wrote:

El Keniano wrote:

No, genius. The murder rate is higher in Mexico because it has 127 million and Nauru only has 10K. Kenya has more doped elite endurance runners the rest of the world combined. The UK has like less than than 10 than can be considered truly elite.

Fixed. That's probably why so many of them are elite.

OK, if changing the words from others seems to be the only way to survive, you even do this. You are worse than I thought (and I thought you are really bad).

Armstronglivs wrote:

I am a kunt

OK.

What law firms do your Lawyer friends work at?

54he wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

I am a kunt

OK.

The intellectual heavyweights have arrived.

too obvious wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Fixed. That's probably why so many of them are elite.

OK, if changing the words from others seems to be the only way to survive, you even do this. You are worse than I thought (and I thought you are really bad).

You haven't really been keeping up with the debate, have you. Try reading the Economist article, that puts Kenya second only to Russia for doping bans.

inthepdx wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

You are very naive. I know of many instances of school kids doping for their sports. I have lawyer friends who have numerous cases on their books. I have also read accounts by college athletes in the US who have talked about the pressure to dope. When prepubescent gymnasts have doped - as in China and the former E Bloc - there is no reason to think 19 year-old runners wouldn't, when many of whom also come from a country rife with doping.

What law firms do your Lawyer friends work at?

You're a doper needing legal help?

Again, this is a thread about a high schooler running 1:43 at altitude. Mods should delete Armstronglivs' posts from this thread because his MO of hijacking threads about Kenyan runners is tired and boring.

Armstronglivs wrote:

too obvious wrote:

OK, if changing the words from others seems to be the only way to survive, you even do this. You are worse than I thought (and I thought you are really bad).

You haven't really been keeping up with the debate, have you. Try reading the Economist article, that puts Kenya second only to Russia for doping bans.

Changing the words from others to support the own point is a terrible behaviour. Not surprising for a character like yours.

Many doping bans in Kenya - and now?

I was surprised that Al Gouaned was not dqed for that. he knocked him off stride coming into the finish and possibly cost him the Silver medal let alone the Gold!?!