LRC note: This thread was deletd by a volunteer mod in 2023 but now given the fact that Katir has been suspended we have re-instated it.
Uncle Fuzzy's Wrinkled Sack wrote:
Cole Hocker is the most obvious dopes of all time. 3:50 off his 30 mile a week training he was bragging about? What was his high school PR? 4:09? Sounds suspicious.
How do you like it?
This logic doesn't work. Hocker was a CHILD PRODIGY. As was Centro as someone pointed out.
He won the HS national champs. Does that mean he's clean? No. But it means it's much less likely that he's doping.
rek1022 wrote:
Typically, people spewing out accusations of racism are racists themselves. Stop projecting all your hatred.
Racism is a superficial word. It's a conflict of interest managed by the strong countries.
Yesterday I was looking at a video about Ben Johnson and how was a victim of a system that wanted to protect the baby star Karl Lewis.
Katir you see him out there tonight dead last to start 2nd lane a lot and not that good positioning compared to stewy he was on the rail whole race up front perfect race besides Katir pushing him but katirs got a 3:27 in there if he can tactically pull himself together. Love his guy he’s just wild out there
rojo wrote:
Uncle Fuzzy's Wrinkled Sack wrote:
Cole Hocker is the most obvious dopes of all time. 3:50 off his 30 mile a week training he was bragging about? What was his high school PR? 4:09? Sounds suspicious.
How do you like it?
This logic doesn't work. Hocker was a CHILD PRODIGY. As was Centro as someone pointed out.
He won the HS national champs. Does that mean he's clean? No. But it means it's much less likely he is.
I agree. All of the top runners exhibit ridiculous talent when they are 18 and done growing and starting to really develop muscle. Some undertrained runners can make big improvements in their early 20s as well. Katie, at 23, is right on the upper limit of the age range that you can make that big jump. Centro, Hocker, Jakob, Cheryiout, and Cheptegei all showed ridiculous talent at 18.
For what it’s worth, I don’t think Centro was always a doper, but he’s at least in the very dark grey area now if not an out-and-out doper. Still good at an advanced age, associated with too many people in the doping realm, and also is just an out-and-out prick.
*Katir
4hw45h wrote:
Harambe wrote:
Well, there's the issue
The issue are idiots like you who don't accept times from certain nationalities.
Xenophobic pricks.
Uhhh…to be clear, I think all times under 3:30 are suspect (well, I guess 3:29 with super spikes). But this dude came from out of nowhere, so he’s doubly suspect.
2021 3:28.76 Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON) 09 JUL 2021
2020 3:36.59 Castellón (ESP) 24 AUG 2020
2019 3:37.20 Castellón (ESP) 23 JUL 2019
2018 3:40.84 Castellón (ESP) 26 JUN 2018
2017 3:52.79 Lorca (ESP) 28 MAY 2017
You have gotta be joking. 3:36 to :28 in an Olympic year???? Looks like folks have taken advantage of lack of drug testing.
I did some runs with a Spanish distance runner whose brother was there at the national altitude center, and he said that all the athletes were doping. But you should know this from what they did with Operation Puerto. Katir is suspect because he has come out of nowhere to this level this fast. He dropped a minute off his 5000m time! He was a 13:50 guy, a dime a dozen even in the NCAA D1. Now he's a 3:28/12:50 guy. That is ludicrous. Jakob was a 3:54 miler before he dropped 3:38 to 3:31 at 17. 3:54 is comparable to 3:36.67 1500m by the 1.08 conversion factor, and then the next year he dropped one second (3:30) and then 1.5 seconds.
rojo wrote:
Uncle Fuzzy's Wrinkled Sack wrote:
Cole Hocker is the most obvious dopes of all time. 3:50 off his 30 mile a week training he was bragging about? What was his high school PR? 4:09? Sounds suspicious.
How do you like it?
This logic doesn't work. Hocker was a CHILD PRODIGY. As was Centro as someone pointed out.
He won the HS national champs. Does that mean he's clean? No. But it means it's much less likely he is.
So, rojo, you said in more words "he's clean, no, it means that it is much less likely he is."
Note from Rojo. I had a typo and have corrected it.
He's not clean now and he probably wasn't clean as a high schooler. Being a prodigy these days means that it is likely you are on dope. All of the sudden, dozens of kids are on the verge of sub 4. Either training took a massive leap over what it was for a million kids for a hundred years, or something sketchy is going on. In fact, we know for certain that sleazy had rupp on testo as a 15 year old. We know for a fact centro's ties to Oregon before he ever got there, and that Oregon is pharma central. Hocker also at Oregon. Pretty high probability that centro was as dirty in high school as rupp was. And that the probability is that hocker and every other runner at Oregon is as dirty as rupp and centro were while there.
macacobot3000 wrote: we should be skeptical of Jakob who has a dad that is abscessed with blood levels
Hilarious
A question for you. Do you actually get any enjoyment out of watching great performances in athletics or is your only enjoyment labeling them as "must be fueled by doping"?
GreatDane1 wrote:
A question for you. Do you actually get any enjoyment out of watching great performances in athletics or is your only enjoyment labeling them as "must be fueled by doping"?
not asking me, but I used to get a lot of enjoyment out of watching great and not so great performances, with the nearly universal doping from high schoolers to Olympians I get barely any enjoyment from spectating now
According to the Spanish press this morning there is absolutely nothing suspicious about Katir’s performance and new Spanish record very close to the European record of Jacob.
Ghost1 wrote:
According to the Spanish press this morning there is absolutely nothing suspicious about Katir’s performance and new Spanish record very close to the European record of Jacob.
https://www.runnersworld.com/es/noticias-running/a36983728/mohamed-katir-record-espana-1500-metros-monaco/
I can't believe it, people in this forum here are paranoiac.
Passant wrote:
rek1022 wrote:
Typically, people spewing out accusations of racism are racists themselves. Stop projecting all your hatred.
Racism is a superficial word. It's a conflict of interest managed by the strong countries.
Yesterday I was looking at a video about Ben Johnson and how was a victim of a system that wanted to protect the baby star Karl Lewis.
Ramzi, Kiprop, Ben Johnson. All victims of the evil West according to you.
Yes, this guy (who is a Moroccan) actually did defend Ramzi, and hoped here only a couple of weeks ago that a 'new Ramzi would appear'.
And now he's got his wish.
Seriously though, if Katir is the beginning of a new trend of North African super dopers who are going to be running maybe 3:24/25 in a couple of years and dominating finals again, I wonder what impact it will have on the likes of McSewyn, Kerr, Wightman, Kessler, and the emerging talent coming through in the West?
Agreed!
macacobot3000 wrote:we should be skeptical of Jakob who has a dad that is abscessed with blood levels and he’s from Scandinavia a region infamous for developing and using blood doping in multiple sports. We should ideally be skeptical of both runners for running super human times that confirmed dopers have run and both are from countries or regions who have a history of doping.
This isnt at all truefor norway. Stop making stuff up. Norway is not Finland.
The video I was talking about
Salam Aleykum: Katir Moved to Spain when he was a baby and he spent all his life there and learned about athletics in Spain and trained in Spain and has been entirely produced in Spain so to refer to him as the north African is disingenuous and is outside the mark. The fact that he has north African genes is true but there are many Irish American runners (descent) with Irish genes who seem to do well and we don’t talk about the “potato diet.”
We should give this poet and free thinker, Katir, the benefit of the doubt because there’s nothing to indicate beyond his outstanding improvement that he is resorting to anything below board.
Katir once said - “ On my mother’s head, I would never cheat or resort to illegal methods to improve my performance » please note that when a Muslim talks about his mother, he has (in all likelihood), to be telling the truth because to mention his mother in a sentence like this and cheat would be tantamount to self annihilation and suicide for a Muslim.
If you do a little bit of research into Muslim culture you will understand this and you will come to appreciate this Spanish athlete (Katir) all the more so.
It would also be good for people to stop referring to him as a “Spanish Moroccan“ athlete because he has been produced in Spain, trained in Spain, and his whole life has been lived in Spain. This is no ersatz copy.
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