te5n1k wrote:
an injury or illness is the only thing that could really explain what we witnessed last night. lets not forget how jenkins just dropped out of the 10k too. very poor showing so far, but im really pulling for craig and in general am big fans of these guys so gutted for eric and donavan.
How about this? He was not in great shape and his head was not in the game/lacked lion hunger to go after it. Why is that so difficult to imagine?
Harold #1 wrote:
If this is true I feel bad for Donovan. No way should he be running if he has a stress fracture.
I have no idea if this is true or not, but I can see an athlete trying to tough it out for the Olympics. People say "well he can come back in 3 years". Well lots of people just miss making a team and then never come close again.
Running a couple of races on it is not likely to cause any further damage. If it does not work out, you have plenty of time to rest. If it does work out then you just made an Olympic team and likely picked up a bonus check.
JBaller33 wrote:
Luv2Run wrote:
When you are running 1:43 there is not a lot of room for improvement. At most you would expect a 1:40 (WR) so the improvement is about 1/2 way to that.
It's more about the injuries for me though.
Is there proof he was actually injured?
Trollminator wrote:
JBaller33 wrote:
It's more about the injuries for me though.
Is there proof he was actually injured?
yes, it's official. he broke his foot
He will drop a 1:42 in a Diamond League meet this year. No injury and no problem running fast when the pacer steps off.
Speaking from experience from running and racing on an unconfirmed at the time sacral stress fracture, you can typically run one good race on it. Adrenaline is a powerful painkiller and I raced an a10k PR without pain and then barely got through the cool down and ran another time trial a week later and knew something was really wrong when the pain didn't go away. I'm guessing if Pete and Donovan knew he had a stress fx, they were probably hedging their bets to make the team and then cross train like absolute crazy to get on the line at Tokyo.
Aouita 84 wrote:
I will however disagree with you on blaming PJ, and it seems you have an issue with him.
I have absolutely no issue with Pete Julian. But if you think he has zero culpability here you are mistaken. That's really about it, end of discussion.
Heady guy wrote:
So you obviously don't remember Holman.
Of course I do. But your comparison is wrong.
I guess you mean that Brazier is a bit more extreme than Holman was.
Heady guy wrote:
I guess you mean that Brazier is a bit more extreme than Holman was.
You guessed wrong. I say it was his injured foot notyour so called injured head.
Maybe you ran against Holman and in one of his episode races he still spanked you. Haha
between brazier DFL, jenkins dropping out, and efraimson being one of like 4 women to not make the 1500m semi, julien is not having a great trials.
Hopefully rogers and/or engels does OK
There is a big difference between stress reaction & stress fracture - two completely different phases. The one thing you are right about - we don't know. This is all speculation how bad it is.
I'm basing what I said off the fact that he has zero limp (stress reaction NOT fracture), & that he took off after Jewett with 350 to go instead of waiting back.
You are also correct that his tactics for the first 400 were great. He blew his wad between 400-600 for no reason & had zero left on a blistering hot day. He even admitted that in the press conference afterwards & also admitted that he didn't have a plan and that he ran a stupid race.
Your comment reeks of someone who clearly did not listen to what he said afterwards.
How about me blame the physiotherapist for this mishap?
Luv2Run wrote:
Harold #1 wrote:
If this is true I feel bad for Donovan. No way should he be running if he has a stress fracture.
I have no idea if this is true or not, but I can see an athlete trying to tough it out for the Olympics. People say "well he can come back in 3 years". Well lots of people just miss making a team and then never come close again.
Running a couple of races on it is not likely to cause any further damage. If it does not work out, you have plenty of time to rest. If it does work out then you just made an Olympic team and likely picked up a bonus check.
You can tough out a muscle strain but no way as an athlete would I try to tough out a stress fracture that was causing me enough pain to make me limp. There will be other races and if a miss at an Olympics is the result - oh well - there will be other races.
If it is a stress fracture. Sorry for jumping to that conclusion when we don't really know the details. My point is there is normal pain and then there is serious pain, I wouldn't try to race through serious pain. Been there and it's just not worth it. There will be other races. It just wasn't his day and that's a part of sport.
Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:
nikeman wrote:
It’s not a stress fracture from what I heard. Basically he needs to have arthroscopic surgery on his ankle. Thankfully that’s a pretty quick surgery to recover from.
It's a stress fracture, top of foot lateral side. Very common with athletes that run/on have planta-fasc issues because they tend to favor away from the medial/inside of the foot and compensate by putting way too much pressure on the outside (lateral side) of the foot.
I was sitting 30ft from the finish line - I could see him visibly limping. On the coverage you can see the same.
Either way, I recommend nandrolone to help him heal very quickly.
+2 Glaringly obvious that he's injured. Immediately after 600m I thought he pulled a hammy or something and thought he was done. He can eat a candy bar and a full bowl of ice cream while running >17s for the last 100m if he weren't injured.
alfredo wrote:
+1
Can't believe all the posters (or maybe it's just a couple, but they're repetitive) claiming there was nothing wrong with Brazier's stride. My wife and I were watching the semi, and we both simultaneously said something along the lines of "What the heck is wrong with Brazier's stride?!" It was clear in the last 200 of the semi that he was limping (and, as a result, working way harder than he should have at that pace). We both figured at that point that he wouldn't make the team.
Sure enough, same thing in the final. He had a clear hitch in his stride, and I'd argue that even after the race, as he was walking away, he was favoring one side.
I mean, he was limping like a motherfreaker for the entirety of the last 220 m. Anyone with a brain knew he was hurt.
Doesn't mean it still wasn't shocking. Props to him for giving it a crack. You only have a few chances in your prime, and bones will heal.
Heady guy wrote:
Are you all too young to remember Holman or Webb or Favor? All 3 could run a world leading time one week and then get 8th in a high stress race a week later.
Holman ran fast times. But "world leading"? Not once.
Unless you have proof this is a waste of a front page thread. Speculation only.