I seriously want to throat punch each and every one of you![/quote]
You seem to be following the wrong sport.
I seriously want to throat punch each and every one of you![/quote]
You seem to be following the wrong sport.
Iron Bars wrote:
I'm sorry, but no way in hell is Sifan Hassan clean. Jarmila Kratochvílová 2.0.
I would agree, but I recall you saying you don't know anything about distance running.
Yawn. Is there anything more tedious than the bias/bigotry card by doping apologists in sports? For example I must have missed how sports fans never called out doping in sports like cycling or baseball based on race. The eye ball test is that certain runners are running insane times well beyond their peers in a doping infested sport where the doping culture has been well documented. And smashing times set by runners who were doped to the gills. The runners running crazy fast times will be scrutinized because that is the whole point of why they dope and a strong indicator. Then again there are people out there who still think that athletes like Pantani were clean and that he shattered records and beat other dopers based on hard work and natural talent. Delusion runs deep.
And the thing is epo is almost impossible to catch and things like biological passports are at best a speed bump. Frankly there is no reason that doping is not presumed.
lol if you actually watched the race you'd know it was in no way easy for her, and she was understandably extatic to see a good time from it and beat a great rival like f. kipyegon.
not sure what happened to sifan before the 800 mark on the bend? and again in the final straight, fell behind but managed to claw her way back.
anyway, 3:53 is only very good for her in these circumstances, but fresh she's much faster. not sure why people act like they don't know that 🤔
it's more about how different jakob threads are from other ones. cause norway supposedly has more interest in exposing their poeple as dopers than creating superstars? really?
and having an expert coach live with you means also having a doping specialist in house, but let's ignore that. just pure work there.
If Jakob was crushing world records, the posts may be different. He’running fast, no doubt, but not unheard of times.
However, he did beat the WR holder in the 5000, so I guess you could say he is guilty by association.
I don’t care either way. I’ll enjoy watching all of them. Hassan, Cheotegei, SAFP, Gidet, and other until someone is actually caught. Super shoes or not, this is good for the sport.
So many whiners on here. Sure, there is a pretty good chance that 1 of the 5 people I mentioned is on something, but I still don’t care. Just enjoy the show.
She’s the best and doesn’t have to specialize lol. She can just run anything. I can actually watch her.
Rainy Day wrote:
If Jakob was crushing world records, the posts may be different. He’running fast, no doubt, but not unheard of times.
However, he did beat the WR holder in the 5000, so I guess you could say he is guilty by association.
I don’t care either way. I’ll enjoy watching all of them. Hassan, Cheotegei, SAFP, Gidet, and other until someone is actually caught. Super shoes or not, this is good for the sport.
So many whiners on here. Sure, there is a pretty good chance that 1 of the 5 people I mentioned is on something, but I still don’t care. Just enjoy the show.
When Ingebritsen runs a 3.26 1500 four days after setting a 10k world record, I’m sure we’ll all be saying the same thing.. but he didn’t, so we’re not.
She needs to start lowering her juice amounts (or start sandbagging a la Semenya). At this point, it is simply insulting to anyone with a normal level of intelligence.
Thoughtsleader, I singled out those names because they are the ones I find especially boring, the ones I can’t get myself to react to in a human way, one of empathy, understanding, and interest. It’s like they’re just mechanisms.
All normal people have some basic reactions to basic behaviors from people. In most cultures around the world, her reactions after this race would engender feelings of warmth, goodwill, well-being, etc.
BUT I FEEL NOTHING. To me she lacks humanity. Same with others on that list, maybe Chep is different. Makhloufi was different for me, he was personally offensive in addition to being a cheat—but as far as his athletic acts go, I couldn’t care less. Now that I look back on it, even Komen leaves me feeling totally empty.
Yes there used to be a fascination, but now that I understand how it is done, the fascination no longer exists. The interest is gone. I don’t care about producing better humaniform machines. I know that I am discounting whatever humanity they do have, I’m saying that I just don’t get it from such performances.
If I were friends with one in personal life, then of course everyday life with them would be different—but these athletic feats and their subsequent reactions have absolutely no effect on me. None!
And in part, that is what is ruining the sport, at least for me. The sport has multiple aspects—business, national pride, child engagement and entertainment, adult engagement and entertainment, etc. All of those aspects are essential for “the sport” to survive. I personally no longer derive adult entertainment from it, nor in fact does any adult I know save for one, and I know a lot of ex-athletes. They also don’t care.
Yes I still have adult engagement because I train, run, and might compete again some day, and also do a little coaching—but my contributions to the t&f business and power structure are minimal, as are those of every other adult I know.
The sport is dying for the same reason the once-beautiful and bountiful natural environment is dying—because people aren’t smart. Yes the current t&f climate retains some child entertainment and engagement value—but it, too, is flagging.
For sure there is still political mileage to be gained from demonstrations of manufactured superiority—national for Russian, Jamaican, etc, ideological for GDR, USSR, Cuba, China, USA, etc, racial for all races, cultural for Jamaica, Norway, etc.—but intelligent people see this as nothing more than the agitprop that it is.
The thing is that populations of people are far from intelligent, and that these athletes and a doped-up sporting system can be successfully used as political tools.
There is so much that so many appear to be missing in all of this, it’s amazing. Those complaining about doping on here are the solution, while everyone else is the problem. People—including yourself—are too political in nature, without any real understanding of the mechanics and mechanisms of power. You make the mistake of believing that your ideas and beliefs are of your own making, but you are instead just a tool of your political masters.
T&F, and sportnin general, has the opportunity to be something more than simply a community of tools expressing political aims, because athletics at its simplest is a basic human endeavor. Even if there is no society—just one single individual on the planet, no politics—that person would have to move, lift things, throw things, go slow, go fast, contort their bodies, etc. Athletics can exist outside the bounds of politics, nationalism, racism, culturalism, etc if we only wish it to be so, and act accordingly. This is not some pie-in-the-sky utopianism, it is how I live my own personal athletic life.
Athletics should be that which brings us together, not that which tears us apart. Doping is clearly the path to the latter, and has caused you to execute the will of your masters by your attempt to further fragment the culture of t&f along racial lines.
justastupido wrote:
Rainy Day wrote:
If Jakob was crushing world records, the posts may be different. He’running fast, no doubt, but not unheard of times.
However, he did beat the WR holder in the 5000, so I guess you could say he is guilty by association.
I don’t care either way. I’ll enjoy watching all of them. Hassan, Cheotegei, SAFP, Gidet, and other until someone is actually caught. Super shoes or not, this is good for the sport.
So many whiners on here. Sure, there is a pretty good chance that 1 of the 5 people I mentioned is on something, but I still don’t care. Just enjoy the show.
When Ingebritsen runs a 3.26 1500 four days after setting a 10k world record, I’m sure we’ll all be saying the same thing.. but he didn’t, so we’re not.
She needs to start lowering her juice amounts (or start sandbagging a la Semenya). At this point, it is simply insulting to anyone with a normal level of intelligence.
Watch the finish of Jacob vs Hassan. Jacob is on the ground breathing really hard. Hassan doesn’t seem to be breathing at all. Like she just finished a walk. Strange really. Compare her finish to any of the finishes yesterday in the ncaa. It is not normal.
Have you ever raced a 1500 to your ability on that day and; 1. It didn’t hurt. 2. You weren’t breathing hard at the finish?
I don’t think Jacob is clean but Hassan is full on Komen. It is like watching full throttle epo days when there was as no test for it.
Sprintgeezer wrote:
Thoughtsleader, I singled out those names because they are the ones I find especially boring, the ones I can’t get myself to react to in a human way, one of empathy, understanding, and interest. It’s like they’re just mechanisms.
All normal people have some basic reactions to basic behaviors from people. In most cultures around the world, her reactions after this race would engender feelings of warmth, goodwill, well-being, etc.
BUT I FEEL NOTHING. To me she lacks humanity. Same with others on that list, maybe Chep is different. Makhloufi was different for me, he was personally offensive in addition to being a cheat—but as far as his athletic acts go, I couldn’t care less. Now that I look back on it, even Komen leaves me feeling totally empty.
Yes there used to be a fascination, but now that I understand how it is done, the fascination no longer exists. The interest is gone. I don’t care about producing better humaniform machines. I know that I am discounting whatever humanity they do have, I’m saying that I just don’t get it from such performances.
If I were friends with one in personal life, then of course everyday life with them would be different—but these athletic feats and their subsequent reactions have absolutely no effect on me. None!
And in part, that is what is ruining the sport, at least for me. The sport has multiple aspects—business, national pride, child engagement and entertainment, adult engagement and entertainment, etc. All of those aspects are essential for “the sport” to survive. I personally no longer derive adult entertainment from it, nor in fact does any adult I know save for one, and I know a lot of ex-athletes. They also don’t care.
Yes I still have adult engagement because I train, run, and might compete again some day, and also do a little coaching—but my contributions to the t&f business and power structure are minimal, as are those of every other adult I know.
The sport is dying for the same reason the once-beautiful and bountiful natural environment is dying—because people aren’t smart. Yes the current t&f climate retains some child entertainment and engagement value—but it, too, is flagging.
For sure there is still political mileage to be gained from demonstrations of manufactured superiority—national for Russian, Jamaican, etc, ideological for GDR, USSR, Cuba, China, USA, etc, racial for all races, cultural for Jamaica, Norway, etc.—but intelligent people see this as nothing more than the agitprop that it is.
The thing is that populations of people are far from intelligent, and that these athletes and a doped-up sporting system can be successfully used as political tools.
There is so much that so many appear to be missing in all of this, it’s amazing. Those complaining about doping on here are the solution, while everyone else is the problem. People—including yourself—are too political in nature, without any real understanding of the mechanics and mechanisms of power. You make the mistake of believing that your ideas and beliefs are of your own making, but you are instead just a tool of your political masters.
T&F, and sportnin general, has the opportunity to be something more than simply a community of tools expressing political aims, because athletics at its simplest is a basic human endeavor. Even if there is no society—just one single individual on the planet, no politics—that person would have to move, lift things, throw things, go slow, go fast, contort their bodies, etc. Athletics can exist outside the bounds of politics, nationalism, racism, culturalism, etc if we only wish it to be so, and act accordingly. This is not some pie-in-the-sky utopianism, it is how I live my own personal athletic life.
Athletics should be that which brings us together, not that which tears us apart. Doping is clearly the path to the latter, and has caused you to execute the will of your masters by your attempt to further fragment the culture of t&f along racial lines.
I strongly suspect you believe your post is more epic than it is.
Lol, that’s actually kind of funny.
Nice!
Beers later?😁🍺
Armstronglivs wrote:
Iron Bars wrote:
I'm sorry, but no way in hell is Sifan Hassan clean. Jarmila Kratochvílová 2.0.
I would agree, but I recall you saying you don't know anything about distance running.
You mistake me for someone else. Again, there is no way this is a clean performance.
Sprintgeezer wrote:
Thoughtsleader, I singled out those names because they are the ones I find especially boring, the ones I can’t get myself to react to in a human way, one of empathy, understanding, and interest. It’s like they’re just mechanisms.
All normal people have some basic reactions to basic behaviors from people. In most cultures around the world, her reactions after this race would engender feelings of warmth, goodwill, well-being, etc.
BUT I FEEL NOTHING. To me she lacks humanity. Same with others on that list, maybe Chep is different. Makhloufi was different for me, he was personally offensive in addition to being a cheat—but as far as his athletic acts go, I couldn’t care less. Now that I look back on it, even Komen leaves me feeling totally empty.
Yes there used to be a fascination, but now that I understand how it is done, the fascination no longer exists. The interest is gone. I don’t care about producing better humaniform machines. I know that I am discounting whatever humanity they do have, I’m saying that I just don’t get it from such performances.
If I were friends with one in personal life, then of course everyday life with them would be different—but these athletic feats and their subsequent reactions have absolutely no effect on me. None!
And in part, that is what is ruining the sport, at least for me. The sport has multiple aspects—business, national pride, child engagement and entertainment, adult engagement and entertainment, etc. All of those aspects are essential for “the sport” to survive. I personally no longer derive adult entertainment from it, nor in fact does any adult I know save for one, and I know a lot of ex-athletes. They also don’t care.
Yes I still have adult engagement because I train, run, and might compete again some day, and also do a little coaching—but my contributions to the t&f business and power structure are minimal, as are those of every other adult I know.
The sport is dying for the same reason the once-beautiful and bountiful natural environment is dying—because people aren’t smart. Yes the current t&f climate retains some child entertainment and engagement value—but it, too, is flagging.
For sure there is still political mileage to be gained from demonstrations of manufactured superiority—national for Russian, Jamaican, etc, ideological for GDR, USSR, Cuba, China, USA, etc, racial for all races, cultural for Jamaica, Norway, etc.—but intelligent people see this as nothing more than the agitprop that it is.
The thing is that populations of people are far from intelligent, and that these athletes and a doped-up sporting system can be successfully used as political tools.
There is so much that so many appear to be missing in all of this, it’s amazing. Those complaining about doping on here are the solution, while everyone else is the problem. People—including yourself—are too political in nature, without any real understanding of the mechanics and mechanisms of power. You make the mistake of believing that your ideas and beliefs are of your own making, but you are instead just a tool of your political masters.
T&F, and sportnin general, has the opportunity to be something more than simply a community of tools expressing political aims, because athletics at its simplest is a basic human endeavor. Even if there is no society—just one single individual on the planet, no politics—that person would have to move, lift things, throw things, go slow, go fast, contort their bodies, etc. Athletics can exist outside the bounds of politics, nationalism, racism, culturalism, etc if we only wish it to be so, and act accordingly. This is not some pie-in-the-sky utopianism, it is how I live my own personal athletic life.
Athletics should be that which brings us together, not that which tears us apart. Doping is clearly the path to the latter, and has caused you to execute the will of your masters by your attempt to further fragment the culture of t&f along racial lines.
Get a life. People like you just perpetuate the ignorance.
Your jealousy is and always has been obvious to many.
yawn wrote:
Sprintgeezer wrote:
Thoughtsleader, I singled out those names because they are the ones I find especially boring, the ones I can’t get myself to react to in a human way, one of empathy, understanding, and interest. It’s like they’re just mechanisms.
All normal people have some basic reactions to basic behaviors from people. In most cultures around the world, her reactions after this race would engender feelings of warmth, goodwill, well-being, etc.
BUT I FEEL NOTHING. To me she lacks humanity. Same with others on that list, maybe Chep is different. Makhloufi was different for me, he was personally offensive in addition to being a cheat—but as far as his athletic acts go, I couldn’t care less. Now that I look back on it, even Komen leaves me feeling totally empty.
Yes there used to be a fascination, but now that I understand how it is done, the fascination no longer exists. The interest is gone. I don’t care about producing better humaniform machines. I know that I am discounting whatever humanity they do have, I’m saying that I just don’t get it from such performances.
If I were friends with one in personal life, then of course everyday life with them would be different—but these athletic feats and their subsequent reactions have absolutely no effect on me. None!
And in part, that is what is ruining the sport, at least for me. The sport has multiple aspects—business, national pride, child engagement and entertainment, adult engagement and entertainment, etc. All of those aspects are essential for “the sport” to survive. I personally no longer derive adult entertainment from it, nor in fact does any adult I know save for one, and I know a lot of ex-athletes. They also don’t care.
Yes I still have adult engagement because I train, run, and might compete again some day, and also do a little coaching—but my contributions to the t&f business and power structure are minimal, as are those of every other adult I know.
The sport is dying for the same reason the once-beautiful and bountiful natural environment is dying—because people aren’t smart. Yes the current t&f climate retains some child entertainment and engagement value—but it, too, is flagging.
For sure there is still political mileage to be gained from demonstrations of manufactured superiority—national for Russian, Jamaican, etc, ideological for GDR, USSR, Cuba, China, USA, etc, racial for all races, cultural for Jamaica, Norway, etc.—but intelligent people see this as nothing more than the agitprop that it is.
The thing is that populations of people are far from intelligent, and that these athletes and a doped-up sporting system can be successfully used as political tools.
There is so much that so many appear to be missing in all of this, it’s amazing. Those complaining about doping on here are the solution, while everyone else is the problem. People—including yourself—are too political in nature, without any real understanding of the mechanics and mechanisms of power. You make the mistake of believing that your ideas and beliefs are of your own making, but you are instead just a tool of your political masters.
T&F, and sportnin general, has the opportunity to be something more than simply a community of tools expressing political aims, because athletics at its simplest is a basic human endeavor. Even if there is no society—just one single individual on the planet, no politics—that person would have to move, lift things, throw things, go slow, go fast, contort their bodies, etc. Athletics can exist outside the bounds of politics, nationalism, racism, culturalism, etc if we only wish it to be so, and act accordingly. This is not some pie-in-the-sky utopianism, it is how I live my own personal athletic life.
Athletics should be that which brings us together, not that which tears us apart. Doping is clearly the path to the latter, and has caused you to execute the will of your masters by your attempt to further fragment the culture of t&f along racial lines.
Get a life. People like you just perpetuate the ignorance.
Your jealousy is and always has been obvious to many.
+1
Lance Armstrong said he was probably the most tested athlete in cycling also. He knew how to get around the tests.
Iron Bars wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
I would agree, but I recall you saying you don't know anything about distance running.
You mistake me for someone else. Again, there is no way this is a clean performance.
Two years ago when Sifan was questioned about ped's, she responded "test me every day". Does that sound like a drug cheat? No. Also, it shows that there is nothing she can do to prove her innocence. You would think after competing for several years that they would have caught her by now. She competes frequently (unlike Ayana and Dibaba), lives in the U.S. where she can't hide from the testors, and has had 3 different coaches who you have to think would have knowledge of her drug use. She's a beautiful human being that is talented beyond belief.
CaliClubCoach wrote:
The comments on this post represent everything that is wrong with our sport. The fans are without a doubt the worst "fans" of any sport hands down. Run fast (Hassan) , you're doping. Run slow (Jorgensen), you're washed up. Run middle of the pack (Ostrander), you're wasting your time and will never make a team. Then there's the "our sport needs more excitement" people. Ok, new world records? NOPE! DOPERS! New stadiums? NOPE, it sucks and isn't as good as the old one. New HS phenoms? Not impressed. There isn't a single thing that can happen in the sport that will make you people happy. You can't run fast, you can't run slow, you literally cannot do anything so WTF is the point? You people are absolutely terrible! And you wonder why the public doesn't care about track & Field? I seriously want to throat punch each and every one of you!
It's the same set of people that are hating. Not that I am immune to suspicion, however I also don't think doping should be illegal.
Funny how we here people talk about Henry Rono's summer where he broke 4 world records in like 35 days, and it's just "amazement" when it's talked about. But anything similar is automatically "doping." At least celebrate some ... what thing I'm certain of, and that is that she used her own power to run, not an electrical motor that cycling has had issues with.
bladerunner wrote:
Two years ago when Sifan was questioned about ped's, she responded "test me every day". Does that sound like a drug cheat? No. Also, it shows that there is nothing she can do to prove her innocence. You would think after competing for several years that they would have caught her by now. She competes frequently (unlike Ayana and Dibaba), lives in the U.S. where she can't hide from the testors, and has had 3 different coaches who you have to think would have knowledge of her drug use. She's a beautiful human being that is talented beyond belief.
Yes, as a matter of fact, that's exactly what I would expect a doper to say. What other answer would there be for a doper? "No, don't test me often?"
Someone just a couple of posts above brought up the best example, Lance. Who was tested more than any, who did say "test me all the time", who did shame and prosecute people for accusing him...and yet he admitted to doping for 20 years eventually.
In elementary school we are taught some basic mathematic fundamentals (identities). For instance, if A = B, and B = C, then A = C. This is simple logic.
So if a person runs faster than other doped people, displaying a range unheard of, then you might draw conclusion they are also a doper. It is not like a "hack" can dope and set a WR. You already have to be super elite, then dope, to get those WR. It is almost 100% certain to be the case in all major events.