A woman speaks out! Competing vs trans women is unfair.

What would be the more “politically correct” term for transphobic then? If I believe (and then set out to prove via evidence) that a person’s actions and words are based in a bias towards trans people, what term should I use that won’t be a slur and seen as some kind of stop to my argument?

You seem to be quite smart and have a good perspective on both sides of this issue, so I would appreciate your guidance in this.

be fair to everyone. wrote:

This is not a black and white issue or name calling someone as “transphobic”. This is about fair sports. The governing bodies need to find a way for transathletes to participate, while also protecting the women’s category. Have an Open Category with men and transathletes. Give awards for the different transathletes (male to female, female to male).

The sex divisions were set up to protect women! Already done!

If we started from scratch, I would say have a "Y" and "non-Y" split. If your cheek swab shows a "Y" chromosome then that is your division.

Hmmmmm. This has a different break down. Could be how Hispanics are categorized.

Also, a better example would be Hawaii.

Most every state has whites as the plurality then.

Luv2Run wrote:

be fair to everyone. wrote:

This is not a black and white issue or name calling someone as “transphobic”. This is about fair sports. The governing bodies need to find a way for transathletes to participate, while also protecting the women’s category. Have an Open Category with men and transathletes. Give awards for the different transathletes (male to female, female to male).

The sex divisions were set up to protect women! Already done!

If we started from scratch, I would say have a "Y" and "non-Y" split. If your cheek swab shows a "Y" chromosome then that is your division.

If we can provide sporting opportunities for people with various physical and mental challenges through events such as the Special Olympics, we can do the same for athletes dealing with gender dysphoria. We cannot, however, do so at the expense of eliminating fair competition for biological females. Even at the high school level in my rather conservative state, we offer competitive events for none traditional athletes. We can expand on that idea as needed.

Luv2Run wrote:

1101 wrote:

INCORRECT! California is only about 37% white.

https://usafacts.org/visualizations/state-snapshots/?state=CA

Hmmmmm. This has a different break down. Could be how Hispanics are categorized.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/en/states/states-by-race

Also, a better example would be Hawaii.

Most every state has whites as the plurality then.

Agree on all points.

Without looking more closely, probably a matter of categorizing Hispanics as whites.

Cheers.

Phobic refers to a fear of someone or something. If a person's motivation is based on such a fear that might be applicable, but I think more often it is used to stifle debate just as accusing one of being a racist or socialist is. Caitlin Jenner is accused of being a transphobic. Sort of like Clarence Thomas being accused of being a racist.

Again, I see that term used rather than debating the merits of one's argument all too often just as racist or socialist is.

1101 wrote:

Luv2Run wrote:

Hmmmmm. This has a different break down. Could be how Hispanics are categorized.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/en/states/states-by-race

Also, a better example would be Hawaii.

Most every state has whites as the plurality then.

Agree on all points.

Without looking more closely, probably a matter of categorizing Hispanics as whites.

Cheers.

STOP BEING SO DECENT!!!! THIS IS THE INTERNET! This is the way to discuss things folks.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Lenny Leonard wrote:

This is old news. And don’t pretend that this isn’t racially motivated. This would not be an issue in states that aren’t predominantly white.

Trans girls are girls. They run against girls. Stop bending everything to your transphobic narrative.

Trans girls are boys who think they are girls. If you can't tell the difference you will have a very interesting social life - especially in the bedroom.

Hahaha. Lenny's gone so woke even armstronglivs can't stand it.

Primo Numero Uno wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Trans girls are boys who think they are girls. If you can't tell the difference you will have a very interesting social life - especially in the bedroom.

Hahaha. Lenny's gone so woke even armstronglivs can't stand it.

Could it be a ploy to discredit the entire liberal ideology through the application of the reductio ad absurdum principle?

be fair to everyone. wrote:

This is not a black and white issue or name calling someone as “transphobic”. This is about fair sports. The governing bodies need to find a way for transathletes to participate, while also protecting the women’s category. Have an Open Category with men and transathletes. Give awards for the different transathletes (male to female, female to male).

I don't disagree but no one cares until something considered "major" occurs. No one really gives a hoot about a few HSers. When pro athletes take a stand the issue will be addressed assuming they ever do. There is decided risk in their doing so.

Luv2Run wrote:

be fair to everyone. wrote:

This is not a black and white issue or name calling someone as “transphobic”. This is about fair sports. The governing bodies need to find a way for transathletes to participate, while also protecting the women’s category. Have an Open Category with men and transathletes. Give awards for the different transathletes (male to female, female to male).

The sex divisions were set up to protect women! Already done!

If we started from scratch, I would say have a "Y" and "non-Y" split. If your cheek swab shows a "Y" chromosome then that is your division.

Protect women from what? I thought it was to provide athletic opportunities to women that otherwise would have been unavailable.

Lenny Leonard wrote:

Luv2Run wrote:

The sex divisions were set up to protect women! Already done!

If we started from scratch, I would say have a "Y" and "non-Y" split. If your cheek swab shows a "Y" chromosome then that is your division.

Protect women from what? I thought it was to provide athletic opportunities to women that otherwise would have been unavailable.

No opportunities were taken away. They can compete against biological males (the same as them) or trans women exclusively (the same as them).

There really is no reason why we can’t have trans Olympic competitions just like the special Olympics.

This woman is a hero. Hopefully she has a support system because the dumb and ignorant sjw's will try to dox her. They are a pathetic bunch.

Viking21 wrote:

Primo Numero Uno wrote:

Hahaha. Lenny's gone so woke even armstronglivs can't stand it.

Could it be a ploy to discredit the entire liberal ideology through the application of the reductio ad absurdum principle?

I am not "woke". Nor am I a "liberal". I don't like ignorance or prejudice - wherever it comes from. But an awful lot comes from the Right these days. In the US it is generally based on race.

Sorry, you are correct, 30 states have not passed legislation banning transgender (male to female) athletes to compete in girls sports.

It’s 37 states that have passed legislation banning transgender (male to female) from competitions for girls.

Here’s your proof that you asked for:

https://savewomenssports.com/state-legislation

How many times does it need to be said, trans-girls are not girls but are mentally sick men who wish they were girls and men don't belong in girls' sports!

Lenny Leonard wrote:

This is old news. And don’t pretend that this isn’t racially motivated. This would not be an issue in states that aren’t predominantly white.

Trans girls are girls. They run against girls. Stop bending everything to your transphobic narrative.

You are a moron Lenny. People like you are what is wrong with this country. I don’t care if someone is trans. I will call them a girl (if they were born male and transition to female). But no, they should not be competing against people born female and it isn’t transphobic to say that. And idk what to even say about the race part of this. Not sure how that is relevant at all but makes sense someone with a pea brain like you would bring that into things

Well there is a reason we shouldn’t have a trans Olympics just like a special Olympics. The special Olympics aren’t for the money. They are a great thing for individuals born with a disability. Trans people aren’t disabled. That would be the biggest waste of money of all time. Might as well have Olympics for people with depression if we are gonna do that

As interesting as it’d be to see the IQs of these sorts, it seems that woke ideology is a blind spot for many otherwise intelligent and logical thinkers.

Barristers in the UK have become increasingly woke, for example.