conservative straw man tactic wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
weren’t you the dope that thought getting rid of the Aunt Jemima name meant something meaningful
you’re just an ignorant woke wannabe
nothing special
can’t even think for yourself, perfect for woke indoctrination
Nope, I wasn't that dope. But thanks confirming that you self-owned yourself with the loading up on woke syrup purchase. Way to stick it to them wokes!!!
get you some Air Jordans
Harambe wrote:
colorunner123 wrote:
Ever been to Kyoto?
Remember when Japan was going to take over the world... but their insular society refused immigration, the population aged and shrank, and they lost their burgeoning superpower status.
Multiculturalism woulda solved that!
Typical progressive:
1. Believe something just because everyone said it was to be
2. Draw incorrect inferences from aforementioned false beliefs
3. Incorporate misguided conclusion into go-forward beliefs & arguments
4. Rinse and repeat
Example of Harambe:
1. Assume that a narrative from the 80s about Japan taking over was true
2. Misinterpret why Japan didn't take over as lack of diversity
3. Apply false lesson to current US culture regarding diversity
4. Future examples that Harambe will use this method: climate change, illegal immigration, income inequality
krispy kremlin._._._._. wrote:
Harambe wrote:
Remember when Japan was going to take over the world... but their insular society refused immigration, the population aged and shrank, and they lost their burgeoning superpower status.
Multiculturalism woulda solved that!
Typical progressive:
1. Believe something just because everyone said it was to be
2. Draw incorrect inferences from aforementioned false beliefs
3. Incorporate misguided conclusion into go-forward beliefs & arguments
4. Rinse and repeat
Example of Harambe:
1. Assume that a narrative from the 80s about Japan taking over was true
2. Misinterpret why Japan didn't take over as lack of diversity
3. Apply false lesson to current US culture regarding diversity
4. Future examples that Harambe will use this method: climate change, illegal immigration, income inequality
Well, whats the counter example? Japan had a much stronger economy in the 1980s. Demographic issues are thought to be a major contributor to their decline.
Immigration is a common way to solve demographic challenges.
Unless you think you can magically convince Americans to have more children. No country has managed to do that.
Hilarious that I have to explain to Americans that immigration is good. Unless you're 100% Native American you should do a little introspection.
krispy kremlin._._._._. wrote:
Typical progressive:
1. Believe something just because everyone said it was to be
2. Draw incorrect inferences from aforementioned false beliefs
3. Incorporate misguided conclusion into go-forward beliefs & arguments
4. Rinse and repeat
Example of Harambe:
1. Assume that a narrative from the 80s about Japan taking over was true
2. Misinterpret why Japan didn't take over as lack of diversity
3. Apply false lesson to current US culture regarding diversity
4. Future examples that Harambe will use this method: climate change, illegal immigration, income inequality
Also, I'll add that expanding immigration isn't really a 'progressive' viewpoint. Lots of progressives are stupidly anti-immigration as well (See: Bernie) for various reasons. They also tend to be NIMBYs. I think they incorrectly assume everything is zero-sum when almost nothing is.
2600 bro wrote:
colorunner123 wrote:
Japan and Korea are ethnically homogenous countries. They seem to be nice places to live.
And both are rapidly adopting pro-immigration plans and embracing multiculturalism because they are running out of young people!
Fact check: False. They do have some temporary workers, but they have to return to their home countries after a short time. It is very hard to become a permanent resident of Japan or Korea.
Harambe wrote:
colorunner123 wrote:
Ever been to Kyoto?
Remember when Japan was going to take over the world... but their insular society refused immigration, the population aged and shrank, and they lost their burgeoning superpower status.
Multiculturalism woulda solved that!
Not all peoples aspire to take over the world. Japan is a beautiful, safe, harmonious, secure country. The exact opposite of the US, UK, etc.
Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:
colorunner123 wrote:
Ever been to Tokyo? Incredibly city. Culturally, ethnically homogenous.
Tokyo looks homogeneous to uninformed outsiders because the two largest minority groups are Koreans and Chinese. (They all look the same to you.) The same goes for Kyoto. (A large Korean population which you probably did not notice.)
A real homogeneous city? Try Pyongyang. Actually, that city has some foreign diplomats. But anywhere else in North Korea, it's almost 100% Korean.
I'd guess that well under 5% of Japan's citizens are of Korean or Chinese descent, and these three groups (Chinese, Korean, Japaese) are culturally and ethnically similar. For example the largest part of the Japanese syllabary (Kanji) is based on Chinese characters. 雨 means "rain" in both Japanese and Chinese, although the pronunciation is different. Japan is one of the most ethnically homogenous countries on the planet.
London is the most multicultural city in the world.
It also happens to be the greatest city in the world.
But its because they all integrate that makes it so good. There's no effective apartheid like in the US.
In all honesty if the US wants to catch up it needs to pay reparations for slavery. But even then you're gonna have two large dominant chunks of ethnic backgrounds - descendents of the European occupiers and African slaves.
London works so well because there isn't any dominant ethnicity.
Chappy wrote:
Kind of obvious isn't it? Anytime you have a inclusion and immigration of massively differing peoples the nation starts to fail. Seeing this everywhere. Especially US, UK. Countries like China, Korea, Poland, Czech, Germany, etc which are more homogeous is where you will see fastest growth & development.
I partly agree and partly disagree. I agree with the sentiment that massive immigration of culturally distinct groups is usually problematic. I also agree that Korea, Poland, and Czechoslovokia seem to be largely successful uinicultural countries. However, I disagree with you about Germany. Germany has imported a lot of immigrants from the Middle East, particularly during the past decade, and these immigrants have brought with them the usual problems. I also disagree that growth and development is the sine qua non of successful countries. I would gladly give up economic growth in exchange for safety, security, and harmony.
Harambe wrote:
krispy kremlin._._._._. wrote:
Typical progressive:
1. Believe something just because everyone said it was to be
2. Draw incorrect inferences from aforementioned false beliefs
3. Incorporate misguided conclusion into go-forward beliefs & arguments
4. Rinse and repeat
Example of Harambe:
1. Assume that a narrative from the 80s about Japan taking over was true
2. Misinterpret why Japan didn't take over as lack of diversity
3. Apply false lesson to current US culture regarding diversity
4. Future examples that Harambe will use this method: climate change, illegal immigration, income inequality
Well, whats the counter example? Japan had a much stronger economy in the 1980s. Demographic issues are thought to be a major contributor to their decline.
Immigration is a common way to solve demographic challenges.
Unless you think you can magically convince Americans to have more children. No country has managed to do that.
Hilarious that I have to explain to Americans that immigration is good. Unless you're 100% Native American you should do a little introspection.
1. Japan is a wonderful country. So their population is shrinking. So what? Who cares. Where is it written in stone that a country's population and economy must always grow? With increased automation, there will be less of a need for workers. A country with a declining population is best-suited to face this challenge.
2 . Do you think the "immigration" that began in 1492 was good for the "Native Americans"? (I put "immigration" in quotes because Columbus and other Spanish explorers were conquerers, not immigrants. I put "Native Americans" in quotes because they were not Americans. There was no USA until 1776.)
colorunner123 wrote:
Chappy wrote:
Kind of obvious isn't it? Anytime you have a inclusion and immigration of massively differing peoples the nation starts to fail. Seeing this everywhere. Especially US, UK. Countries like China, Korea, Poland, Czech, Germany, etc which are more homogeous is where you will see fastest growth & development.
I partly agree and partly disagree. I agree with the sentiment that massive immigration of culturally distinct groups is usually problematic. I also agree that Korea, Poland, and Czechoslovokia seem to be largely successful uinicultural countries. However, I disagree with you about Germany. Germany has imported a lot of immigrants from the Middle East, particularly during the past decade, and these immigrants have brought with them the usual problems. I also disagree that growth and development is the sine qua non of successful countries. I would gladly give up economic growth in exchange for safety, security, and harmony.
Germany does import but I actually think they're still in good shape and they're imported a bit smarter. Many of German immigrants are from other European countries and the total for that is 91% of the population. The middle easterners are mostly Turkish (with some Syrian) which adds another 5 % for a total of 96%. The Turkish population has been a bit problematic due to the massive religious differences but the thing is, by and large the Turkish are much more European than not...because many of them are actually European or have same roots as the Euros.
They're not as bad as the French for example who have a 85% European population but have 10% from NW Africa & another 3.5% from sub sahara. The muslims from NW Africa have not only even bigger religious differences but they're also much less Euro than the Turks.
colorunner123 wrote:
1. Japan is a wonderful country. So their population is shrinking. So what? Who cares. Where is it written in stone that a country's population and economy must always grow? With increased automation, there will be less of a need for workers. A country with a declining population is best-suited to face this challenge.
2 . Do you think the "immigration" that began in 1492 was good for the "Native Americans"? (I put "immigration" in quotes because Columbus and other Spanish explorers were conquerers, not immigrants. I put "Native Americans" in quotes because they were not Americans. There was no USA until 1776.)
Japan is a wonderful country that is completely unprepared to push back against their superpower expansionist neighbor next door. IF you are willing to sacrifice America's global hegemony then sure, we can go the Japan route. Withering economy, aging population, but no doubt a lovely country! (seriously not meant as a negative judgement on them). I think it's important that we have some form of democratic global superpower. The USA is still the obvious choice.
I have been hearing about automation shrinking the workforce since before I was born. Still waiting. Maybe this time it's real. Doesn't really change the equation as more efficiency with more workers = WAY more productivity.
Isolationists will disagree but looking inward is a great way to get either conquered or left behind.
As for 2)... yes, the only people who can have serious complain about immigration are the Native Americans! Every other American has benefited from immigration.
And yes, they are Native Americans. They are native to America. The continent.
Chappy wrote:
colorunner123 wrote:
I partly agree and partly disagree. I agree with the sentiment that massive immigration of culturally distinct groups is usually problematic. I also agree that Korea, Poland, and Czechoslovokia seem to be largely successful uinicultural countries. However, I disagree with you about Germany. Germany has imported a lot of immigrants from the Middle East, particularly during the past decade, and these immigrants have brought with them the usual problems. I also disagree that growth and development is the sine qua non of successful countries. I would gladly give up economic growth in exchange for safety, security, and harmony.
Germany does import but I actually think they're still in good shape and they're imported a bit smarter. Many of German immigrants are from other European countries and the total for that is 91% of the population. The middle easterners are mostly Turkish (with some Syrian) which adds another 5 % for a total of 96%. The Turkish population has been a bit problematic due to the massive religious differences but the thing is, by and large the Turkish are much more European than not...because many of them are actually European or have same roots as the Euros.
They're not as bad as the French for example who have a 85% European population but have 10% from NW Africa & another 3.5% from sub sahara. The muslims from NW Africa have not only even bigger religious differences but they're also much less Euro than the Turks.
Anyone who says they would give up growth for "safety and harmony" is free to move to Poland or Hungary. I'll wait.
The French are generally terrible at assimilation. Germany is better. England is even better. USA is the best by far. It takes a generation or two for new cultural groups, but the USA is incredible. It's better for long-run national security than 100 F35 programs.
colorunner123 wrote:
Not all peoples aspire to take over the world. Japan is a beautiful, safe, harmonious, secure country. The exact opposite of the US, UK, etc.
A safe and harmonious country that would be Chinese territory if not for American hegemony.
colorunner123 wrote:
2600 bro wrote:
And both are rapidly adopting pro-immigration plans and embracing multiculturalism because they are running out of young people!
Fact check: False. They do have some temporary workers, but they have to return to their home countries after a short time. It is very hard to become a permanent resident of Japan or Korea.
There is no doubt immigration expansion happening in Japan to deal with demographic issues. Relative to other countries it's still restrictive but it's a significant departure from historical Japanese trends, which is what matters.
colorunner123 wrote:
Harambe wrote:
Well, whats the counter example? Japan had a much stronger economy in the 1980s. Demographic issues are thought to be a major contributor to their decline.
Immigration is a common way to solve demographic challenges.
Unless you think you can magically convince Americans to have more children. No country has managed to do that.
Hilarious that I have to explain to Americans that immigration is good. Unless you're 100% Native American you should do a little introspection.
1. Japan is a wonderful country. So their population is shrinking. So what? Who cares. Where is it written in stone that a country's population and economy must always grow? With increased automation, there will be less of a need for workers. A country with a declining population is best-suited to face this challenge.
2 . Do you think the "immigration" that began in 1492 was good for the "Native Americans"? (I put "immigration" in quotes because Columbus and other Spanish explorers were conquerers, not immigrants. I put "Native Americans" in quotes because they were not Americans. There was no USA until 1776.)
Why dont you ask the Japanese?
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Japan-immigration/Nearly-70-of-Japanese-say-more-foreigners-are-good-surveyAmerica has been multi-cultural throughout its history.
The list of highest GDP countries is full of multicultural countries like USA, Germany, France, UK, India etc.
Conversely the list of poorest countries is full of single culture countries like Afghanistan, Burundi, Solomon Islands etc.
Theres clearly no correlation between success and lack of multi-culturism. So this thread is lame.
Germany is a classic example of a country that has benefited from immigration. Germany has been importing vast numbers of muslims from Turkey and other parts of the middle east since the 1960s to come and perform jobs that Germans refuse to perform. This frees up productive Germans to spend more time working at their jobs. Germany imports vast numbers of women to come and work as nannies. This frees up German women to return to work soon after pregnancy. As a result, Germany has become the economic powerhouse of Europe.
2600 bro wrote:
Why dont you ask the Japanese?
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Japan-immigration/Nearly-70-of-Japanese-say-more-foreigners-are-good-survey
They obviously have no clue what they're talking about, having never experienced the HELL that multiculturalism is in America.
"Multicultural" people in America have the gall to ask for things like "equality" and "freedom from prejudice" and it's DESTROYING the American way of life.
-Sent from my iPhone designed by 10000 immigrants.
Hungary would be awesome. Incredible country. Tough language.
I have worked for Elan for the past several years and have been to Slovenia 7-8 times already. Looking to relocate. If you have a decent job life is unreal in countries like this. Just the fact that you can go into any town and city and any part of a city at any time of day or night and be and feel completely safe is amazing to me.
Chappy wrote:
Hungary would be awesome. Incredible country. Tough language.
I have worked for Elan for the past several years and have been to Slovenia 7-8 times already. Looking to relocate. If you have a decent job life is unreal in countries like this. Just the fact that you can go into any town and city and any part of a city at any time of day or night and be and feel completely safe is amazing to me.
Hungary's homicide rate is ~50% of the USA's. Less, but not a staggering difference.
You all act like the USA is some kind of warzone. No doubt there are bad places in the USA but it's generally safe!
Either you watch too much fearmongering cable TV or you're just being a US hater (maybe because the Democrats are in power now).
Also Orban has effectively ended free speech in the country. Talk about cancel culture!