You thought Hocker was double NCAA champ as a frosh?
You thought Hocker was double NCAA champ as a frosh?
not there yet. wrote:
Also, look at the last few years. There are absolutely no more than 5 Kenyans faster and no more than 5 Ethiopians faster than Klecker. Something like this may have been the case (with a top 5 US guy) when US running was poorer and had maybe one guy under 13:20, but no longer. Klecker is world class.
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His trajectory is fantastic, but he is nowhere near world class yet.
He’s already lost to Fisher, Scott, McDonald, and Knight this year. None of those individuals are world class either. Three races, three loses - against mild competition.
Right now, he’s an unproven elite runner. When he consistently runs sub 13 or makes an Olympic final, we can call him world class.
macdaddy ogg wrote:
not there yet. wrote:
Also, look at the last few years. There are absolutely no more than 5 Kenyans faster and no more than 5 Ethiopians faster than Klecker. Something like this may have been the case (with a top 5 US guy) when US running was poorer and had maybe one guy under 13:20, but no longer. Klecker is world class.
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His trajectory is fantastic, but he is nowhere near world class yet.
He’s already lost to Fisher, Scott, McDonald, and Knight this year. None of those individuals are world class either. Three races, three loses - against mild competition.
Right now, he’s an unproven elite runner. When he consistently runs sub 13 or makes an Olympic final, we can call him world class.
I would say this is quite interesting. First, McDonald & Knight have not beaten Klecker in a 5000 and there's no way they would. Second, how is someone not world class if there's only 10 guys on the planet running faster than you? You mention running sub 13 consistently makes you world class, well I don't know of anyone that does. Most DL races finish between 13:00-13:10. Similar for championships. I guess there is no one world class?
I would say 13:10 or better is world class. american record is 12:53.
not there yet. wrote:
macdaddy ogg wrote:
His trajectory is fantastic, but he is nowhere near world class yet.
He’s already lost to Fisher, Scott, McDonald, and Knight this year. None of those individuals are world class either. Three races, three loses - against mild competition.
Right now, he’s an unproven elite runner. When he consistently runs sub 13 or makes an Olympic final, we can call him world class.
I would say this is quite interesting. First, McDonald & Knight have not beaten Klecker in a 5000 and there's no way they would. Second, how is someone not world class if there's only 10 guys on the planet running faster than you? You mention running sub 13 consistently makes you world class, well I don't know of anyone that does. Most DL races finish between 13:00-13:10. Similar for championships. I guess there is no one world class?
I apologize - I meant McGorty. As for Knight, he beat him over 2 miles.
World class is not a participation trophy. World class means you are the best of the absolute best. World class means you are favored to make the Olympic finals and medal.
Klecker has run three professional races against national class athletes and lost all three. He’s in the mix for the 5k at the US Olympic trails, but he’s not the favorite.
Again, his trajectory is fantastic and I like him as a runner, but he’s not there yet - may never be.
Rupp is or has been world class at 5k-marathon, his pb is 13:01.
jonesy22 wrote:
Rupp is or has been world class at 5k-marathon, his pb is 13:01.
12:58.90
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World class means you are the best of the absolute best. World class means you are favored to make the Olympic finals and medal.
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I disagree with this, being the best is or favored to medal in olympics is a higher level.
Killeriot wrote:
jonesy22 wrote:
Rupp is or has been world class at 5k-marathon, his pb is 13:01.
12:58.90
you are correct.
Any way to watch without paying for runnerspace?
here we go
Announcers constantly bumping into each other.
And they're off... too bad most people won't be able to watch it.
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And they're off... too bad most people won't be able to watch it.
And it looks like the flash results page is wrong. 5:54 through 1400m?
someone drop an @ with an instagram live! the people will love you!!!
slow race
Somewhere in Oregon wrote:
.. wrote:
And they're off... too bad most people won't be able to watch it.
And it looks like the flash results page is wrong. 5:54 through 1400m?
The flash results page has been stuck for a while.
8:05 at 3k.
Kiptoo. Teare. Hocker. Kurgat. Mwuara. Bedard.
Looks like 8:04.8 3k