ParityCuber wrote:
Everyone has the talent to run sub 17. The problem is they just have to log more miles, which a lot of people won't.
Not true
ParityCuber wrote:
Everyone has the talent to run sub 17. The problem is they just have to log more miles, which a lot of people won't.
Not true
Honestly surprised that I got so many response here. What I have learned in this thread, more than anything, is that there is a lot of brittle masters runners that need ways to justify their spending hobby habits and call people poor because they don't want to spend $250 on shoes that last 100 miles and for a marginal boost in time.
I think that for my next 5k I will wear my heaviest trainers and then the next next 5k I will wear some Saucony Hornets to prove that I can still run a similar time no matter the shoes. I will sit on the shoulder of the race leader (presumably wearing super shoes), beat them on the final sprint, turn around after the finish, and taunt them with my trainers or $60 Saucony vintage shoes.
Winning a 5k with 16 - 17 min is just luck (lack of competition). If I was you I wouldn't sit on someones shoulder to win in a sprint finish, I would try to give everything and run a decent time....it would be so frustrating if the guy in the supershoes has a better sprint finish ;-).
r2k83 wrote:
Whiskers wrote:
What does this mean? Can you rephrase this? It might be a bad translation from another language.
Before "super shoes", the faster runners were wearing minimal, lightweight racing flats that the "midpackers" weren't comfortable wearing. After "super shoes" the "midpackers" are the ones more likely to have the money to $200+ on these shoes and the faster runners are jealous that they don't have that kind of money or are too cheap to spend it on such shoes for a 5k.
Personally, having tried the Skechers Speed Elite and Saucony Endorphin Pro, I haven't found them to be worth the price tag (or even wearable in the case of the Saucony).
Is there evidence of a financial divide between frontrunners and mid-packers?
The hypocrisy of calling people brittle when you get offended enough by the shoes other people choose to wear to start an anonymous message board thread is astounding. It is so obvious to seemingly everyone but yourself that I can only assume you have larger issues in life with self awareness.
hobby jogger extraordinaire wrote:
Honestly surprised that I got so many response here. What I have learned in this thread, more than anything, is that there is a lot of brittle masters runners that need ways to justify their spending hobby habits and call people poor because they don't want to spend $250 on shoes that last 100 miles and for a marginal boost in time.
I think that for my next 5k I will wear my heaviest trainers and then the next next 5k I will wear some Saucony Hornets to prove that I can still run a similar time no matter the shoes. I will sit on the shoulder of the race leader (presumably wearing super shoes), beat them on the final sprint, turn around after the finish, and taunt them with my trainers or $60 Saucony vintage shoes.
Cool, look forward to slaying you as a 45 y/o in my 4%’s.
hobby jogger extraordinaire wrote:
Hi, your local elitist hobby jogger here. My local road racing scene is pretty non-competitive except for a few races out of the year. Regardless, I still try to race about once a month for fun and training motivation, and usually run in the 16:00s and 17:00s. I just wear traditional racing flats rather than super shoes, mostly because I'm cheap and old school, but also because I rarely do a half or full marathon, so I don't see the point in spending $200+ on a pair.
I do happen to notice that the super shoes are becoming quite common among runners that are like 18-19 minute 5k runners, if not slower. I simply don't understand why people are getting and wearing these shoes for a 5k. It strikes me as complete overkill for your local 5k, 5 miler, 10k, etc., especially when training a bit harder will produce better results.
Why the heck are mid pack runners wearing these shoes for local dinky road races? Is it just an outcome of group think, wanting the latest and greatest, and keeping up with the Joneses? I can see the top end competitors at the bigger races benefiting from the super shoes but I haven't noticed any differences in competitiveness or times at the smaller races. I simply don't understand why mid packers have jumped on the super shoe train as well.
Hi! Middle of the pack, average runner here. I bought the Hoka Carbon X shoes to run a marathon in this fall. I will be using them in dinky, small 5ks to make sure they work for me. It'll be a test and tune if you will.
I am pretty old school and have ran 90% of my races in training shoes the past 10 years. I think it will be an interesting comparison of times to race in super shoes (if they work).
Also, just because we aren't super fast doesn't mean we aren't trying to perform at our best. These shoes appear to reduce the wear and tear on our bodies. This is hopeful as I am hoping to be active my entire life and care about the impact on my body.
runinthewind wrote:
hobby jogger extraordinaire wrote:
Hi, your local elitist hobby jogger here. My local road racing scene is pretty non-competitive except for a few races out of the year. Regardless, I still try to race about once a month for fun and training motivation, and usually run in the 16:00s and 17:00s. I just wear traditional racing flats rather than super shoes, mostly because I'm cheap and old school, but also because I rarely do a half or full marathon, so I don't see the point in spending $200+ on a pair.
I do happen to notice that the super shoes are becoming quite common among runners that are like 18-19 minute 5k runners, if not slower. I simply don't understand why people are getting and wearing these shoes for a 5k. It strikes me as complete overkill for your local 5k, 5 miler, 10k, etc., especially when training a bit harder will produce better results.
Why the heck are mid pack runners wearing these shoes for local dinky road races? Is it just an outcome of group think, wanting the latest and greatest, and keeping up with the Joneses? I can see the top end competitors at the bigger races benefiting from the super shoes but I haven't noticed any differences in competitiveness or times at the smaller races. I simply don't understand why mid packers have jumped on the super shoe train as well.
Hi! Middle of the pack, average runner here. I bought the Hoka Carbon X shoes to run a marathon in this fall. I will be using them in dinky, small 5ks to make sure they work for me. It'll be a test and tune if you will.
I am pretty old school and have ran 90% of my races in training shoes the past 10 years. I think it will be an interesting comparison of times to race in super shoes (if they work).
Also, just because we aren't super fast doesn't mean we aren't trying to perform at our best. These shoes appear to reduce the wear and tear on our bodies. This is hopeful as I am hoping to be active my entire life and care about the impact on my body.
PT 2: I am a 34 year old female, wife, mom to 2 toddlers, full time career, running mid 19s. As a grown adult, it's nice to spend hard earned money on my hobby. Will I ever be running in the 16-17s? Hell no. But I am passionate about my hobby and enjoy explore different options for shoes, socks, clothes, watches, etc.
lol who cares.
highhoppingworm wrote:
The hypocrisy of calling people brittle when you get offended enough by the shoes other people choose to wear to start an anonymous message board thread is astounding. It is so obvious to seemingly everyone but yourself that I can only assume you have larger issues in life with self awareness.
I love these type of responses, they fuel me more. I have nothing to prove, but by insulting me, it shows something about yourself. Keep 'em coming!
the truther wrote:
Cool, look forward to slaying you as a 45 y/o in my 4%’s.
Wrong, I do plenty of strides in my trainers to blast any plodding super shoe runners in the final sprint.
Thomas Cruz wrote:
Is there evidence of a financial divide between frontrunners and mid-packers?
very good question
Why buy a 50" TV when you can watch a perfectly good 32"?
Why buy a Mercedes when you can buy a Ford? You're only driving the streets of your city.
Why buy a house with four bedrooms when you only have two kids? You'd only need the space.
Why go on holiday to the Caribbean? It's the same sun you get at your local beach.
I get so bored of this question. Why does it bother you what hobby joggers are wearing? People can spend their money how they want. It's not even like super shoes are that expensive. You can get the best shoe on the market for $200-250, the price of a TV. In what other sport can you say that? Cyclists pay thousands for a mediocre bike. People who lift spend thousands on gym memberships. How much does a decent set of golf clubs cost, on top of course fees/club membership? Basketball and soccer are about the only sports that are cheaper to play than running, even with the cost of super shoes. Anyway, stay out of people's business.
whylet the elite runners be that much more ahead of them lol
Ghost1 wrote:
Steffen wrote:
I´m 52 and run 5k´s in 19 minutes these days. I have Alphafly, Adios Pro and Hyperion Elite 2 in my closet. Why? Because they are fun to run in, save my old legs and I also happen to have a lot of money.
Ask a hobby golfer how much money they spend on equipment...
You are from Sweden right and a friend of our running guru from Sweden JS? Just curious what the price of the super shoes costs in Sweden?
The full price for a pair of Alphafly is 3300 SEK = 390 US dollars
hobby jogger extraordinaire wrote:
highhoppingworm wrote:
The hypocrisy of calling people brittle when you get offended enough by the shoes other people choose to wear to start an anonymous message board thread is astounding. It is so obvious to seemingly everyone but yourself that I can only assume you have larger issues in life with self awareness.
I love these type of responses, they fuel me more. I have nothing to prove, but by insulting me, it shows something about yourself. Keep 'em coming!
the truther wrote:
Cool, look forward to slaying you as a 45 y/o in my 4%’s.
Wrong, I do plenty of strides in my trainers to blast any plodding super shoe runners in the final sprint.
You will have lost long before....LOL
They make people run faster. Why do people run races?
Dude, there's something almost pathological about starting a thread with a laughably misplaced and arrogant position, then calling out everyone who disagrees with you as "brittle." Get over yourself. I'm in my 50s and running low to mid 16's, so I'm your speed or faster. Yeah, that's slow in the scheme of things but I'm having fun getting after it.. And, guess what, not only do I race in the Next% over 5k these days but I don't have a problem with anyone else wearing them regardless of pace. I wear them for the same reason others have said: they're fun to wear because they feel bouncy as hell, they save my feet and legs (I used to hobble around after races in my old-school flats), and they seem to shave a few seconds per mile. If you want to pretend to be the "cool kid" and sneer at everyone else wearing them, that's on you.
hobby jogger extraordinaire wrote:
Honestly surprised that I got so many response here. What I have learned in this thread, more than anything, is that there is a lot of brittle masters runners that need ways to justify their spending hobby habits and call people poor because they don't want to spend $250 on shoes that last 100 miles and for a marginal boost in time.
I think that for my next 5k I will wear my heaviest trainers and then the next next 5k I will wear some Saucony Hornets to prove that I can still run a similar time no matter the shoes. I will sit on the shoulder of the race leader (presumably wearing super shoes), beat them on the final sprint, turn around after the finish, and taunt them with my trainers or $60 Saucony vintage shoes.
OP where are these non-virtual races occuring in America? Hobbyjoggers are doing the Strava virtual 5ks these days.
0/10
get over yourself wrote:
Dude, there's something almost pathological about starting a thread with a laughably misplaced and arrogant position, then calling out everyone who disagrees with you as "brittle." Get over yourself.
I'm in my 50s and running low to mid 16's, so I'm your speed or faster. Yeah, that's slow in the scheme of things but I'm having fun getting after it..
And, guess what, not only do I race in the Next% over 5k these days but I don't have a problem with anyone else wearing them regardless of pace. I wear them for the same reason others have said: they're fun to wear because they feel bouncy as hell, they save my feet and legs (I used to hobble around after races in my old-school flats), and they seem to shave a few seconds per mile. If you want to pretend to be the "cool kid" and sneer at everyone else wearing them, that's on you.
hobby jogger extraordinaire wrote:
Honestly surprised that I got so many response here. What I have learned in this thread, more than anything, is that there is a lot of brittle masters runners that need ways to justify their spending hobby habits and call people poor because they don't want to spend $250 on shoes that last 100 miles and for a marginal boost in time.
I think that for my next 5k I will wear my heaviest trainers and then the next next 5k I will wear some Saucony Hornets to prove that I can still run a similar time no matter the shoes. I will sit on the shoulder of the race leader (presumably wearing super shoes), beat them on the final sprint, turn around after the finish, and taunt them with my trainers or $60 Saucony vintage shoes.
Perfectly stated!
hobby jogger extraordinaire wrote:
Honestly surprised that I got so many response here. What I have learned in this thread, more than anything, is that there is a lot of brittle masters runners that need ways to justify their spending hobby habits and call people poor because they don't want to spend $250 on shoes that last 100 miles and for a marginal boost in time.
I think that for my next 5k I will wear my heaviest trainers and then the next next 5k I will wear some Saucony Hornets to prove that I can still run a similar time no matter the shoes. I will sit on the shoulder of the race leader (presumably wearing super shoes), beat them on the final sprint, turn around after the finish, and taunt them with my trainers or $60 Saucony vintage shoes.
Oh u r so good...