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choccymilklife wrote:

Man nobody gives Suleiman Nyambui his due...first NCAA runner to win 4 straight in the 10000m, tied with Ches for most individual NCAA titles, and an Olympic 5000m silver in '80. Top 5 men's collegians list has to put him up there with Ches and Rono...probably Pre and Lindgren too

Because he was one of the first in the growing line of African age cheats that began in the 1980’s.

Washington State and others started this recruiting tactic at the demise of younger runners in the NCAA system.

Bringing in late 20 year olds that were newly minted Olympic medalists or won Olympic medals during their time in school to compete against 18 to 22 year olds and them winning buckets of titles is hardly something to cheer about or compare.

People need to remember how this started, why some African runners amassed numerous titles and which coaches were the catalyst.

run faster at the Locker wrote:

3:36 and 13:12 last year for Jager. How many other guys in this field did that?

Didn't McGorty and Fisher both beat him in both races?

birdbeard wrote:

Choosing a winner in the 3000 given how little we've seen of all these guys due to COVID is a bit of a fool's errand. Who knows how their training has gone. For all we know, Gregorek is back in 3:49 shape (unlikely, but who knows!).

So, with that as a caveat, I will take McDonald because I have almost never seen him have a bad race and he is a monster. But the most talented guy in the field is Cheserek so he's my darkhorse, Jager and Kincaid would be in the mix if hey were in peak shape, but I'm thinking those days are behind Jager, and Kincaid has too extensive an injury history for me to assume he'll be ready to go.

It’s February. It’s great these guys and gals are racing and it will be fun to watch but it’s February so I highly doubt anyone is in peak shape. If they were to be in peak shape I would fire the coach.

As you pointed out “who knows how their trading has gone” and I’ll add who knows who is training through these off distance efforts. I would suspect those that will be a factor in the summer are trading right through.

No. Only Fisher. Is the correct answer 1?

“Training”

run faster at the Locker wrote:

No. Only Fisher. Is the correct answer 1?

McGorty beat him in the 5000 (13:11) and was right on it in the 1500 (3:37).

Cheserek ran 13:09i. Gregorek ran 3:36.1.

Kincaid, McDonald, Cheserek might be the three favorites. Kincaid ran 12:58. If he is at that level, he'd be tough to beat in a fast race. Cheserek in 3:49i shape might well take it. Usually, he runs a few outstanding indoor races before getting injured, so watch out for him. You'd think that if Gregorek was also in 3:49 high indoor shape, which he ran a few years ago, he'd be in contention but I don't think he's ever run a fast 3k. Fisher and McGorty are good candidates for 7:37-8. Jager I see running 7:41-42. At full strength, he'd have run 7:30-34 outdoors.

birdbeard wrote:

Choosing a winner in the 3000 given how little we've seen of all these guys due to COVID is a bit of a fool's errand. Who knows how their training has gone. For all we know, Gregorek is back in 3:49 shape (unlikely, but who knows!).

So, with that as a caveat, I will take McDonald because I have almost never seen him have a bad race and he is a monster. But the most talented guy in the field is Cheserek so he's my darkhorse, Jager and Kincaid would be in the mix if hey were in peak shape, but I'm thinking those days are behind Jager, and Kincaid has too extensive an injury history for me to assume he'll be ready to go.

1. McGorty

2. Ches

3. Fisher

4. Jager

5. Kincaid

6. McDonald

This comes up again? There have been threads about exactly this topic. Pages and pages. Most are about BYU and devolve into anti-religion ranting (or just anti-LDS and not anti-religion in general). On none of them has anyone linked, cut-and-pasted, or in any way shown the NCAA age rule. I don't, haven't, and won't participate in NCAA running. Never had any interest nor made any attempt to. So I don't have a dog in the fight, but over and over people on the Board write about 'age cheating'. Thing is, the NCAA doesn't. They don't ban anyone for age cheating. I'm not the one who is obsessed with finding a loophole by which someone is breaking some interpretation of some rule, so I haven't looked. But those who have haven't been able to find any impediment to 40 year old NCAA running.

Have the best runners in their history been older than 18? Does this bother you? (The answer is 'yes' to that.) Are there athletes from some demographic you don't identify with or approve of winning their Championships? (Probably 'yes' also.) Then petition the NCAA to make a rule banning anyone beyond 30. Or 25. Or 19. Or send in thousands of signatures asking to ban anyone from certain religions (or just one) or anyone with East African genetics. Until then, realize that there are runners competing inthe NCAA who are decent by international standards and you suck.

Pepper Sauce wrote:

Because he was one of the first in the growing line of African age cheats that began in the 1980’s.

Washington State and others started this recruiting tactic at the demise of younger runners in the NCAA system.

Bringing in late 20 year olds that were newly minted Olympic medalists or won Olympic medals during their time in school to compete against 18 to 22 year olds and them winning buckets of titles is hardly something to cheer about or compare.

People need to remember how this started, why some African runners amassed numerous titles and which coaches were the catalyst.

Among John Chaplin's many sins.

Wow chill out.

For not having a dog in the fight you display much bluster.

I responded to the Suleiman Nyambui comment and pointed out the obvious.

I was an NCAA athlete during the time I mentioned and competed against the African Olympians that were incredibly talented but also way more physically mature. During that time, everyone, and I mean everyone that competed against these guys would all say the same thing - how it was next to impossible to compete against 28 year old Olympians when being straight out of high school.

I'll take

mens 800 : Amos

Women's 800: Sinclair

Men's 3k: Marc Scott

Women's 3k: Karissa

Thank you for spreading hate and getting us off topic. Take your sour grapes elsewhere.

post nups wrote:

Macdonald

Schweizer

Perrier

Bartelsmeyer with the upset

Love Perrier

The Dirty Duck wrote:

post nups wrote:

Macdonald

Schweizer

Perrier

Bartelsmeyer with the upset

Love Perrier

Does spelling two of the four names wrong get me kicked off of Letsrun? I’d be devastated.

Switching to Johnson anyway.

¡Dame el Perrier!

Pepper Sauce wrote:

Bringing in late 20 year olds that were newly minted Olympic medalists or won Olympic medals during their time in school to compete against 18 to 22 year olds and them winning buckets of titles is hardly something to cheer about or compare.

People need to remember how this started, why some African runners amassed numerous titles and which coaches were the catalyst.

For those of us less informed...how, who and why?

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Can I watch this for free online anywhere? Or is this airing on tv?