DL Monaco entries are up

Good points but again she didn’t run on the circuit and just got outclassed in the finals. She has no experience when she actually had a chance. She has in the 1500. I don’t think Jerry’s opposed to it completely, but he clearly ruled out their Europe trip (Saint Moritz) pretty early. Just hoping Schweizer and Houlihan get at least one race to square off against legit international competition in the 5,000.

Hoornweg, Ramsden and Kissa pacing. Goal is to hit 3000m in 7:35 then Joshua all alone..

Awesome update! Are the pacing splits on the internet somewhere?

Would love to see what the planned splits are for the rest of the races

Thanks!

Not yet, technical meeting is on thursday morning. Only the WR attempt has been talked in advance to prepare all the details. Will update when i know more

Jo72 wrote:

Les wrote:

Engels and Rowbury in the men's 1500 and women's 5000? Looks like some politicking was done to get them in on the coattails of Brazier. Neither of them are gonna be factors in their races.

With the travel bans etc. the organizers are probably happy to fill up the fields. Furthermore, even in top seasons DL races like 2017 or 19, there must be some people on ranks 8-12 in a race and often none of them were contenders for top 6. Very rarely will there be a race 1500m or longer where almost everyone could be a factor or compete for the top ranks.

Sure, but Houlihan and Schweizer are both better than Rowbury and also NIke atheletes. They should be in the Monaco 5000. But perhaps they're in the wrong Nike training group. Brazier, Engels and Rowbury are all in the Julien group. It looks like there's some kind of internal conflict going on inside of Nike -- if you're BTC you're sh@t out of luck.

Les wrote:

Jo72 wrote:

With the travel bans etc. the organizers are probably happy to fill up the fields. Furthermore, even in top seasons DL races like 2017 or 19, there must be some people on ranks 8-12 in a race and often none of them were contenders for top 6. Very rarely will there be a race 1500m or longer where almost everyone could be a factor or compete for the top ranks.

Sure, but Houlihan and Schweizer are both better than Rowbury and also NIke atheletes. They should be in the Monaco 5000. But perhaps they're in the wrong Nike training group. Brazier, Engels and Rowbury are all in the Julien group. It looks like there's some kind of internal conflict going on inside of Nike -- if you're BTC you're sh@t out of luck.

Houlihan and Schweitzer could have run if Jerry wanted. It's not like they couldn't get in.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

oh oh whattup? wrote:

Well I thought everyone was saying Jakob doesn't have the speed Kejelcha has so Kejelcha should be able to beat Jakob by 3-4 seconds here no?

Straw man. Kejelcha’s advantage over Jakob is endurance not speed. Guy has run 12:45 and gotten a 10k Silver. In the 15, it’s a toss up if he’s sharp. In the 5, in a World Record attempt you’d favor Kejelcha to beat Jakob by 10 seconds which could still be a big PB and great run.

He also has the indoor mile world record. 3:47.01

So..... you have no idea what you’re taking about.

Nobody of the top 5 of 2019 is participating in the most important 5000m race of 2020. And just 3 of the top 20 list of 2019 are running. Whats happening to Telahun Bekele, Barega, HG, , Edris, Zakayo, Kipruto? Are they injured? Cowards? or leaving Prorunningworld for the lack of races? Its a announced World record attempt. It should be fast. They can use Cheptegei as pacer for personal best or try to beat him in the final kick. Barega ran 12:43 with "Pacer" Kejelcha. Why he is not trying again? What about the double world champion Edris? He has a good but not extraordinary Pb of 12:54. Its the moment to improve that . There is nothing else to do this year. I dont understand. Somebody has got background information?

Freediverunner wrote:

Nobody of the top 5 of 2019 is participating in the most important 5000m race of 2020. And just 3 of the top 20 list of 2019 are running. Whats happening to Telahun Bekele, Barega, HG, , Edris, Zakayo, Kipruto? Are they injured? Cowards? or leaving Prorunningworld for the lack of races? Its a announced World record attempt. It should be fast. They can use Cheptegei as pacer for personal best or try to beat him in the final kick. Barega ran 12:43 with "Pacer" Kejelcha. Why he is not trying again? What about the double world champion Edris? He has a good but not extraordinary Pb of 12:54. Its the moment to improve that . There is nothing else to do this year. I dont understand. Somebody has got background information?

My personal opinion is that they have been slacking because of pandemic, so many of them are not in World record attempt shape. So they don't want to risk traveling etc. for an average-good result.

I also wonder if maybe Monaco meat organisers think Cheptegei is the most marketable athlete to break the WR (not Kenyan, who don't have a good rep right now, proven over a few years in major championships that he's worthy - more of a Kipchoge than a Kosgei).

Having other people in the field risks either:

1. The race being tactical and slow

2. Some unknown coming along for the ride and grabbing the WR

The story is much easier to sell this way

Adri wrote:

Too bad Kejelcha is not on the 5000m with Cheptegei.

None of the Ethiopians you'd expect to be in the 5k are listed. Any of them could just sit on Cheptegei and take the race (and possibly the WR) away from him at the end. The field is really weak and I think that's by design.

In any case, it'll be great to see Kejelcha in the 1500. He should be under 3:30 if he's sharp and the race is fast. Anyone know anything about his recent training?

It's particularly odd because this is a very high profile 5000m and the Ethiopians took personal (national) offense to the IAAF's dropping of the 5000m from the Diamond League last year. Here's their shot. Is it Monaco's decision or the Ethiopian federation or Jos Hermens (doubtful) or other agents'? Must be Monaco.

I'm not blaming Rowbury. I'm saying that it is odd to have the fourth or fifth best American currently in the race while the two best ever choose not to run.

salberto alazar wrote:

Adri wrote:

Too bad Kejelcha is not on the 5000m with Cheptegei.

None of the Ethiopians you'd expect to be in the 5k are listed. Any of them could just sit on Cheptegei and take the race (and possibly the WR) away from him at the end. The field is really weak and I think that's by design.

In any case, it'll be great to see Kejelcha in the 1500. He should be under 3:30 if he's sharp and the race is fast. Anyone know anything about his recent training?

How many times has someone run under 3:30 in their first race in 10 months?

seasoned ranker wrote:

salberto alazar wrote:

None of the Ethiopians you'd expect to be in the 5k are listed. Any of them could just sit on Cheptegei and take the race (and possibly the WR) away from him at the end. The field is really weak and I think that's by design.

In any case, it'll be great to see Kejelcha in the 1500. He should be under 3:30 if he's sharp and the race is fast. Anyone know anything about his recent training?

How many times has someone run under 3:30 in their first race in 10 months?

What part of "he should be under 3:30 if he's sharp and the race is fast" do you not understand?

The ethiopians are not in shape. It has been incredibly difficult to train properly in Addis.

"First due to the coronavirus-enforced shutdown, and more recently due to civil unrest in Ethiopia, where the killing of singer Hachalu Hundessa on June 29 sparked ethnic tensions and the deaths of hundreds of Ethiopians."

Basically running in groups was banned, solo was completely unsafe, and all the tracks were closed, the traditional outings in Sululta and Sendafa were cancelled. Each runner had to train at his own peril.

Meanwhile in Uganda(they imposed a very strict lockdown early on) since late may, training resumed as usual, at full volume and intensity.

half Kiwi wrote:

Starno wrote:

My personal opinion is that they have been slacking because of pandemic, so many of them are not in World record attempt shape. So they don't want to risk traveling etc. for an average-good result.

I also wonder if maybe Monaco meat organisers think Cheptegei is the most marketable athlete to break the WR (not Kenyan, who don't have a good rep right now, proven over a few years in major championships that he's worthy - more of a Kipchoge than a Kosgei).

The athletes are human beings, not cattle!

round and round wrote:

He also has the indoor mile world record. 3:47.01

So..... you have no idea what you’re taking about.

Your point being? Jakob has run basically the exact equivalent in the 1500 (3:30.16) and would struggle to stay up there with Kejelcha in a 5K and definitely a 10K. Maybe Kejelcha has a speed advantage (no real evidence, unless you think he underachieved with that 3:47.01), but the strength advantage is obvious.

Several athletes spoke of poor training conditions. For many it is the first or the first high level competition in months. I don't think there are going to be any WRs this time in Monaco. Even if some are in very good shape, for the 5000m records one needs good pacing and some competition in the second half of the race.