Selective Listening wrote:
david45 wrote:
Well, is it safe for me to run 6 days per week now if I speed up my easy runs?
I don't know, I am not your coach. I would follow the persons advice who had his brother run with him. I wouldn't do it every day. You're just not at that level.
But I have already been running for over a year at this point.
david45 wrote:
Except I have been running for over a year, and despite increase in mileage, I am not improving
I forgot Step #0. Do you have the right mindset to improve? There is a lot of self-doubt coming across in your posts. You act like you've tried everything, and nothing has worked. Don't let a defeatist mindset prevent you from trying anything that might let you discover what kind of training works.
If running for a year hasn't worked, you have to change something. How you change depends on how you answer questions about yourself. (That's usually the role of an experienced coach).
What have you learned about yourself in that year?
Did you read the primer I linked above?
Can you answer some of the questions in Step #5 about yourself?
Read section #4. Which of the 12 Key workouts make you feel good, and which seem too tough?
A year is not a long time, and if you were already injured, you probably didn't get your mileage up that high.
What is your goal? If it is just to have a good time and find camaraderie, find a local Hash House Harriers and join them.
What is your strategy going to be to achieve that goal? (Again, that's where an experienced coach helps).
If you had run in cross country in high school, typically these kids can run around 40 miles a week, and eventually, over the course of years, might ramp their mileage up to 60 miles a week or 75 miles a week by senior year.
If you are not running 40 miles a week after one year, don't talk like you've "been there, done that". If you are, then it is time add some intensity, and/or ramp up to 60.
Referring to the primer, for a beginner, I would start with ENDURANCE and SPRINT workouts, gradually building up ENDURANCE by increasing the weekly mileage, while using a low volume of SPRINT workouts for developing good form at high speeds. Once I'm happy with weekly volume, I would introduce STAMINA workouts. So for the 6:51 miler, this might at first be a workout like a 45 minute steady state run at marathon pace (8:51). And last would be SPEED workouts. The next year might repeat this cycle, but with bigger numbers. Of course if there are races you want to do, I would look for adaptations to accommodate the races with realistic goals.
If you give it the real college try, for a few years, and you still genuinely don't improve, you may have to rethink your goals, accepting that you may be this rare non-responder to training, and decide if your love for running means love for running fast, or just love for running.
My neighborhood is all hills
rekrunner wrote:
david45 wrote:
Except I have been running for over a year, and despite increase in mileage, I am not improving
I forgot Step #0. Do you have the right mindset to improve? There is a lot of self-doubt coming across in your posts. You act like you've tried everything, and nothing has worked. Don't let a defeatist mindset prevent you from trying anything that might let you discover what kind of training works.
If running for a year hasn't worked, you have to change something. How you change depends on how you answer questions about yourself. (That's usually the role of an experienced coach).
What have you learned about yourself in that year?
Did you read the primer I linked above?
Can you answer some of the questions in Step #5 about yourself?
Read section #4. Which of the 12 Key workouts make you feel good, and which seem too tough?
A year is not a long time, and if you were already injured, you probably didn't get your mileage up that high.
What is your goal? If it is just to have a good time and find camaraderie, find a local Hash House Harriers and join them.
What is your strategy going to be to achieve that goal? (Again, that's where an experienced coach helps).
If you had run in cross country in high school, typically these kids can run around 40 miles a week, and eventually, over the course of years, might ramp their mileage up to 60 miles a week or 75 miles a week by senior year.
If you are not running 40 miles a week after one year, don't talk like you've "been there, done that". If you are, then it is time add some intensity, and/or ramp up to 60.
Referring to the primer, for a beginner, I would start with ENDURANCE and SPRINT workouts, gradually building up ENDURANCE by increasing the weekly mileage, while using a low volume of SPRINT workouts for developing good form at high speeds. Once I'm happy with weekly volume, I would introduce STAMINA workouts. So for the 6:51 miler, this might at first be a workout like a 45 minute steady state run at marathon pace (8:51). And last would be SPEED workouts. The next year might repeat this cycle, but with bigger numbers. Of course if there are races you want to do, I would look for adaptations to accommodate the races with realistic goals.
If you give it the real college try, for a few years, and you still genuinely don't improve, you may have to rethink your goals, accepting that you may be this rare non-responder to training, and decide if your love for running means love for running fast, or just love for running.
Over the year of training, I realize I am extremely prone to injury and I seem to be a slow responder to any form of training. I am not sure I am better at speed or distance as I feel I suck equally at both. As for workouts, I struggle with hill workouts, tempo runs, fartleks, and goal pace. I only do okay with a little bit of speed workouts, but speed workouts easily set me on a path to injury. My goal is to become a fast runner in the 5k.
david45 wrote:
Selective Listening wrote:
I don't know, I am not your coach. I would follow the persons advice who had his brother run with him. I wouldn't do it every day. You're just not at that level.
But I have already been running for over a year at this point.
Whoopti F’ing do. I’ve been training for 15 plus years. So just shut up and run. Reality is you haven’t followed any sensible training plan because you refuse to read and educate yourself. Instead you just ask for advice on a forum where some people give you legit stuff and others troll you. Then when you do get good advice you always have some excuse and rarely take responsibility for your actions or dumbassary. Done with trying to help you. Good luck.
@david45: after a year of running, that's how far you've come? How? One can get that fitness after 3-4 weeks of just running aimlessly.
How old are you? Weight?
I don't mean to be rude, but you must be doing something wrong.
Just get out and run on feel, forget about paces or workouts for now. Gain some fitness first. Don't even think of weekly mileage or days per week. Take days off whenever you need them, as many as you need. Don't push yourself too hard but have fun running, don't go around forcing yourself to run at 11'/mile.
You don't need a coach or workouts or structured training yet. Just relax and enjoy running, get some fitness.
Tin foil wrote:
@david45: after a year of running, that's how far you've come? How? One can get that fitness after 3-4 weeks of just running aimlessly.
How old are you? Weight?
I don't mean to be rude, but you must be doing something wrong.
Just get out and run on feel, forget about paces or workouts for now. Gain some fitness first. Don't even think of weekly mileage or days per week. Take days off whenever you need them, as many as you need. Don't push yourself too hard but have fun running, don't go around forcing yourself to run at 11'/mile.
You don't need a coach or workouts or structured training yet. Just relax and enjoy running, get some fitness.
I am 18, male, 150 Ib, and 6'0''
Holy crap! Good for you.
Well, you're young and have a healthy weight. What type of mileage have you been running?
Tin foil wrote:
Holy crap! Good for you.
Well, you're young and have a healthy weight. What type of mileage have you been running?
David hasn’t been running any mileage because he’s here 12 hours a day. What he claims he does is run around his 15m wide backyard at 11-12 minute pace because he’s scared of getting corona while running in a suburb of San Diego.
And yet he hasn’t been banned by the mods.
First. Flat roads are mythical because the earth is a sphere. ?
Second. If you run down hill in a forest and a tree falls will Jamin ever find true love. Heck even a one night stand would be progress.
Why should I be banned?
david45 wrote:
Why should I be banned?
Because you're annoying AF. You spam the boards for 12+ hours a day, every day asking a version of the same question. When you get an answer you become argumentative or dismissive. You then whine and complain that no one is helping you yet you're the one rejecting help. Ergo, you're a waste of everyone's time. Not to mention, you clog up the boards with your threads asking the same questions over and over. There's a reason half your threads get deleted.
Long Time Lurker wrote:
david45 wrote:
Why should I be banned?
Because you're annoying AF. You spam the boards for 12+ hours a day, every day asking a version of the same question. When you get an answer you become argumentative or dismissive. You then whine and complain that no one is helping you yet you're the one rejecting help. Ergo, you're a waste of everyone's time. Not to mention, you clog up the boards with your threads asking the same questions over and over. There's a reason half your threads get deleted.
I just feel emotional and depressed that I don't feel like I am improving. I have becoming frustrated
david45 wrote:
Long Time Lurker wrote:
Because you're annoying AF. You spam the boards for 12+ hours a day, every day asking a version of the same question. When you get an answer you become argumentative or dismissive. You then whine and complain that no one is helping you yet you're the one rejecting help. Ergo, you're a waste of everyone's time. Not to mention, you clog up the boards with your threads asking the same questions over and over. There's a reason half your threads get deleted.
I just feel emotional and depressed that I don't feel like I am improving. I have becoming frustrated
Well since your other thread regarding training response got deleted, i'll tread lightly around the issue.
Your "training" sucks. It's not training. yet you refuse to get a book to learn the theory and instead try to piece together your own training via opinions from an online form. You reject good advice and get trolled by bad advice. Yet you refuse to help your own situation by educating yourself on the topics via peer reviewed sources, text books, or other sources of information. This is the first reason you haven't seen improvement
Second: People here have been running for years. Myself at 15 years plus between sports and running. Training response can take years to see. There's a reason video games are addictive. They have a low barrier to entry and give you an easy sense of achievement via leveling up, unlocking things etc. Some achievements are easy to get while others require you to keep working at the game to get. There are so many achievements that there is always one to go for. This gives you a sense of accomplishment. Problem is, in running, or any athletic related activity, the timeline is much greater. It takes time and effort to get good at something. it wont happen instantly and it really wont happen if your training is awful and you refuse to do anything about it. I've tried to help you and all you do is make excuses so I am done giving you training advice besides read a book to learn the information completely.
Third: You make sweeping statement regarding high school, club running, and college in general when in reality you were not on a high school team save three weeks of optional summer workouts. You don't know what it's like to suffer though a full season and fight fatigue at the end. You don't know what college is like, and you haven't reached out to your local store or run club. Yet you make broad opinions based on nothing or something that you heard from somewhere. The latter is called "hearsay" and there is a reason it is not admissible in court - you have no way to prove the opinions you have.
Tin foil wrote:
Holy crap! Good for you.
Well, you're young and have a healthy weight. What type of mileage have you been running?
I have been running for 50 minutes six days per week at a pace of 11 minute per mile. Any faster, then I am no longer running at an easy pace.
Ahhhh. Now you train six times a week? Yesterday, it was five. The day before that, it was maxed out at four because anything over 20 miles in a week gives you stress fractures. Why does your story keep changing?
I've given you some attention and that is the oxygen that keeps you alive. I'll keep watching this thread. By next week, I am sure that you will claim to run a daily marathon in your backyard that features a constant 5% grade in all directions but, you are not improving your mile fitness because your mom won't let you use her iPhone to count the laps correctly hence, why you regret not making the track team in high school.
I don't know what to tell you, I only ever gone that slow on very steep uphills...
When I started running I was almost twice your age and totally sedentary, I soon was running 4 hilly miles, 3 times per week, had ITBS for months, and still I was faster than you are right now. And I've always been just above average in sports.
You're 18, you should be able to recover like an SOB. Pick up the pace, if all you do is run slow. If you're not comfortable deciding for yourself how far, how fast, and how often, buy Daniels' Running Formula and start with one of the introductory running plans.
One can run much faster than you do without organized training, but if that doesn't suit you then Daniels' book is a solid choice.
And don't be a troll. If you ask for advice don't challenge every answer. At some point, you have to do the work and see for yourself. Spending the day here won't make you faster.
What does your mom look like? How old ? Weight?
Portland Hobby Jogger wrote:
Ahhhh. Now you train six times a week? Yesterday, it was five. The day before that, it was maxed out at four because anything over 20 miles in a week gives you stress fractures. Why does your story keep changing?
I've given you some attention and that is the oxygen that keeps you alive. I'll keep watching this thread. By next week, I am sure that you will claim to run a daily marathon in your backyard that features a constant 5% grade in all directions but, you are not improving your mile fitness because your mom won't let you use her iPhone to count the laps correctly hence, why you regret not making the track team in high school.
No. I have stated that I was running six days per week a while back.
Tin foil wrote:
I don't know what to tell you, I only ever gone that slow on very steep uphills...
When I started running I was almost twice your age and totally sedentary, I soon was running 4 hilly miles, 3 times per week, had ITBS for months, and still I was faster than you are right now. And I've always been just above average in sports.
You're 18, you should be able to recover like an SOB. Pick up the pace, if all you do is run slow. If you're not comfortable deciding for yourself how far, how fast, and how often, buy Daniels' Running Formula and start with one of the introductory running plans.
One can run much faster than you do without organized training, but if that doesn't suit you then Daniels' book is a solid choice.
And don't be a troll. If you ask for advice don't challenge every answer. At some point, you have to do the work and see for yourself. Spending the day here won't make you faster.
Still, many people posted writings here talking about you shouldn't go too hard on easy runs because of the production of lactate.