carmine9 wrote:
Your hero.
Jimmy Dore? 100% chance it’s wrong.
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carmine9 wrote:
RussianTerroristState wrote:
So you agree that Russia should withdraw immediately and end the war? Or, are you pushing for Russia to continue its invasion?
Again, Ukraine and US need to negotiate as they should have from well before the war began. Russia had some very reasonable demands.
December 20021:
President Putin further said that Moscow wants a guarantee from Ukraine that it will not enter the US-led NATO.
Russia has also demanded that NATO rule out further expansion, including the accession of Ukraine into the alliance, and that it does not hold drills without previous agreement from Russia in Ukraine, Eastern Europe, in Caucasus countries such as Georgia or in Central Asia.
Moscow also calls for the two countries US & Russia - to pull back any short- or medium-range missile systems out of reach, replacing the previous intermediate-range nuclear forces (INF) treaty that the US left in 2018. Vladimir Putin has demanded that the West provide Russia with “legal guarantees” of its security.
After the invasion, the following demands were added:
Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov said Ukraine must stop fighting, amend its constitution to guarantee neutrality, formally cede Crimea to Russia, and recognize the independence of the Russian-backed breakaway republics in eastern Ukraine.
If Ukraine enshrines neutrality in its constitution — which would prevent it from joining NATO or the European Union — and accepts Russia's territorial demands, it will remain an "independent state that will live as it wants," Peskov said.All very reasonable.
But USA wants its proxy war with Russia and so is spilling Ukraine blood.
So you’re not really concerned about “many more deaths” as you claimed, rather you support Ukraine giving Russia everything it demands or else, including killing thousands of Ukrainian civilians. Just so everyone is clear, Carmine supports many more deaths, as long as Russia gets what it wants.
Would you support Russia so fervently if they demanded the US allow them to annex Alaska?
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carmine9 wrote:
Deno wrote:
I have read maybe three posts in this thread, bottom line is Russia has lost this anyone not seeing that simply refusing to deal with reality.
Only thing that will happen now is more dead people mostly Russians.
Finland joining NATO the big gain for Russia, hahahahaha!!!!
Are you celebrating Russia killing more civilians, as long it helps them get what they want? Clearly you don’t really care about preventing “many more deaths” as you claimed.
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carmine9 wrote:
RussianTerroristState wrote:
So you agree that Russia should withdraw immediately and end the war? Or, are you pushing for Russia to continue its invasion?
Ukraine needs to negotiate.
The Russian hammer is coming down
Russia has made no territorial gains in the last 8 weeks, while Ukraine demonstrated that they can target military infrastructure in Crimea. You see this as Russia bringing the hammer down? I’m not sure that expression means what you think it does. Unless you mean the hammer and sickle is coming crashing down (again).
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carmine9 wrote:
Did you really watch a pedophile rant for 26 minutes? I certainly have better things to do, like continually point out that you’re a hypocrite that supports “many more deaths” in Ukraine.
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From a couple days ago, a rare accounting of Ukraine casualties:
Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, which hits the half-year mark this week, has already killed some 9,000 Ukrainian soldiers, a general said, and the fighting Monday showed no signs that the war is abating.
At a veteran’s event, Ukraine’s military chief, Gen. Valerii Zaluzhnyi, said Ukraine’s children need to be taken care of because “their father went to the front line and, perhaps, is one of those almost 9,000 heroes who died.”
And civilian casualties:
Rosemary DiCarlo, the U.N.’s chief for political and peacemaking affairs, gave a stark update on the humanitarian crisis in Ukraine. Ms. DiCarlo said that, in the past six months, the U.N. had recorded 13,560 civilian casualties there, including 5,614 people killed and 7,946 injured. The true numbers of civilians killed and injured are likely to be far larger. Ukraine itself has reported that tens of thousands have died in Russian bombardments and other attacks.
At least 17.7 million people, or 40 percent of the Ukrainian population, need humanitarian assistance and protection, including 3.3 million children, she said.
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Monkeys Skyping wrote:
From a couple days ago, a rare accounting of Ukraine casualties:
Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, which hits the half-year mark this week, has already killed some 9,000 Ukrainian soldiers, a general said, and the fighting Monday showed no signs that the war is abating.
At a veteran’s event, Ukraine’s military chief, Gen. Valerii Zaluzhnyi, said Ukraine’s children need to be taken care of because “their father went to the front line and, perhaps, is one of those almost 9,000 heroes who died.”
And civilian casualties:
Rosemary DiCarlo, the U.N.’s chief for political and peacemaking affairs, gave a stark update on the humanitarian crisis in Ukraine. Ms. DiCarlo said that, in the past six months, the U.N. had recorded 13,560 civilian casualties there, including 5,614 people killed and 7,946 injured. The true numbers of civilians killed and injured are likely to be far larger. Ukraine itself has reported that tens of thousands have died in Russian bombardments and other attacks.
At least 17.7 million people, or 40 percent of the Ukrainian population, need humanitarian assistance and protection, including 3.3 million children, she said.
Carmine supports all those civilian casualties, as long as Russia gets what it wants. Do not believe his claims of concern about “many more deaths” in Ukraine.
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Harambe wrote:
Ernest wrote:
The US has been overtly at War (or, as the Russians call it, "conducting a special military operation") for 67 of the last 81 years.
Since 1986, the US has been at war every year until this 2022. 35 of the last 36 years.
Add in covert operations, and the United States has been militarily engaged every year.
You have been drinking the Kool-Aid if you think this is "maintaining a relatively peaceful world".
It certainly was not peaceful for the million-plus people killed.
You should look up 'relatively'
The US is now bombing Syria again. So, I guess it's 36 of the last 36 years.
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Just a note: Biden has almost completely ended the drone wars. He won't claim much credit because voters won't reward this kind of thing and the Rs will say 'ha pinko weak boy no backbone!' but this is a big change in US policy that hardly anyone knows about.
Credit to Joe.
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RussianTerroristState wrote:
carmine9 wrote:
Your hero.
Jimmy Dore? 100% chance it’s wrong.
That way you don't even have to watch it
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Political ground work is being laid to bring Russian war criminals to justice. Defy UN orders, face the consequences.
UN’s Bachelet calls on Putin to halt armed attacks on Ukraine
UN human rights chief Michelle Bachelet has called on Russian President Vladimir Putin to halt attacks on Ukraine and said the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant must be demilitarised.10 -
RussianTerroristState wrote:
Monkeys Skyping wrote:
From a couple days ago, a rare accounting of Ukraine casualties:
And civilian casualties:
Carmine supports all those civilian casualties, as long as Russia gets what it wants. Do not believe his claims of concern about “many more deaths” in Ukraine.
It's not me who supports this war, supports sending tens of billions of dollars of weapons into Ukraine to keep it going.
Not me who supports the US led violent overthrow of the Ukraine govt in 2014.
Not me who supports the US going onto expand NATO towards Russia for the past 30 years despite promising not to.
Not me who posts gleefully about death and destruction.
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Agencies from more than 40 countries are tracking Russia’s war crimes, and they are preparing for a massive roundup of Russian war criminals for trial at the conclusion of the war. Complain if you like, but it’s happening.
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Term1 wrote:
Agencies from more than 40 countries are tracking Russia’s war crimes, and they are preparing for a massive roundup of Russian war criminals for trial at the conclusion of the war. Complain if you like, but it’s happening.
Thank God nobody is tracking US and Israeli war crimes
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carmine9 wrote:
RussianTerroristState wrote:
Carmine supports all those civilian casualties, as long as Russia gets what it wants. Do not believe his claims of concern about “many more deaths” in Ukraine.
It's not me who supports this war, supports sending tens of billions of dollars of weapons into Ukraine to keep it going.
Not me who supports the US led violent overthrow of the Ukraine govt in 2014.
Not me who supports the US going onto expand NATO towards Russia for the past 30 years despite promising not to.
Not me who posts gleefully about death and destruction.
So, you think Russia should withdraw their troops and end the "death and destruction" in Ukraine?
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Monkeys Skyping wrote:
From a couple days ago, a rare accounting of Ukraine casualties:
And civilian casualties:
What I'm looking for is statistics on how many Ukrainian citizens died at hands of regular Ukrainian army and Azov.
Does anybody know a reliable source? I mean around 50.000 Ukrainian citizens are fighting against Kievs regime. A significant amount surely had to be fallen in battles, right?
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Lollys Master wrote:
Monkeys Skyping wrote:
From a couple days ago, a rare accounting of Ukraine casualties:
And civilian casualties:
What I'm looking for is statistics on how many Ukrainian citizens died at hands of regular Ukrainian army and Azov.
Does anybody know a reliable source? I mean around 50.000 Ukrainian citizens are fighting against Kievs regime. A significant amount surely had to be fallen in battles, right?
You can start to make some very crude estimates from what's included on wikipedia.
Let's estimate that there have been around 15,000 Russian + Donetsk + Luhansk forces that have been killed since the February invasion (this seems to be a generally accepted number by most parties). Roughly 6,000 of them are confirmed to be from Russian forces, but the actual number is probably between 6,000 and 10,000. That means that between 5,000 and 9,000 soldiers fighting for Donetsk + Luhansk forces have been killed.
This (of course) does not include any Ukrainian citizens that are civilians that have been killed in the fighting.
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Lollys Master wrote:
Monkeys Skyping wrote:
From a couple days ago, a rare accounting of Ukraine casualties:
And civilian casualties:
What I'm looking for is statistics on how many Ukrainian citizens died at hands of regular Ukrainian army and Azov.
Does anybody know a reliable source? I mean around 50.000 Ukrainian citizens are fighting against Kievs regime. A significant amount surely had to be fallen in battles, right?
50,000 Ukrainians fighting against Kiev. Sounds like a civil war to me. America lost 600,000+ during our civil war. If you don't want to die at the hands of your own countrymen, then don't start wars. If you play lethal games, you should expect to win lethal prizes.
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IgnoreJimmyDore wrote:
You can start to make some very crude estimates from what's included on wikipedia.
Let's estimate that there have been around 15,000 Russian + Donetsk + Luhansk forces that have been killed since the February invasion (this seems to be a generally accepted number by most parties). Roughly 6,000 of them are confirmed to be from Russian forces, but the actual number is probably between 6,000 and 10,000. That means that between 5,000 and 9,000 soldiers fighting for Donetsk + Luhansk forces have been killed.
This (of course) does not include any Ukrainian citizens that are civilians that have been killed in the fighting.
Your logic seems right to me. I wonder though why isn't this aspect of the war really being covered by media. This is not simply a Russia against Ukraine war. It began as a civil war amongst Ukrainians first, then Russia got involved supporting one side and the West supporting the other.
I would say this is somewhat compearable to Palestine / Israel conflict.
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