10/27/2025 - This thread started well before anything was confirmed by Iowa State.
A volunteer moderator deleted several threads on this topic. That's not the way this should work. We believe in free expression and have reinstated them and merged them into this one thread.
As we wrote at the time, "If there is no truth to these rumors, please contact us at letsrun@letsrun.com or give us a call at 844-538-7786 and we will be happy to delete them and issue a statement."
It ends up appearing that the rumors had some teeth to them. Earlier today LetsRun.com co-founder Robert Johnson emailed head coach Jeremy Sudbury to let him know about this thread and asked if there was any truth to it.
At 3:31 pm ET, coach Sudbury emailed me the following:
Hello Robert, Thank you for reaching out directly. There were team rule violations. I have worked with our administration, and the involved athletes have been suspended and will not compete the remainder of this season. Have a nice rest of your weekend. Jeremy
Subsequently the Stride Report has written an article on the matter:
And coach Sudbury has confirmed to us that no one who ran in the A race at Missouri was impacted by the suspensions. We have asked him about the status of his #3 runner from Missouri as it appears he was arrested last week after leaving the scene of a traffic accident as shown here.
Previous thread titles included, "ALLEGED Doping Bust at NCAA Program. What Now?" and "Iowa State EPO"
"It's his job to know" "They need to clean house" "No excuse" .... this is SO frustrating and just not very intelligent. It is Jeremy Sudbury's job to be omniscient? It's his job to be the Peter Thiel of everything going on with his athletes?
No it isn't. It is his job to fundraise, recruit, write training, and coach his 30 athletes at practice and on competition day. It is not Jeremy Sudbury's job to be an all-knowing deity. Hindsight is 20/20 and it is easy to say he "should have known," but I haven't heard a solid argument as to why/how he should have known.
Also, as to claims that Sudbury is complicit - NCAA coaches do not have enough incentive to allow or encourage doping. The incentives are tiny and the risks are career and life-altering. And the nature of coach-athlete relationships in college are not close enough or trustworthy enough. Someone PLEASE tell me why I am wrong, because I am not wrong. These coaches are not going to trust a 19 year-old kid's discretion with their livelihood.
"It's his job to know" "They need to clean house" "No excuse" .... this is SO frustrating and just not very intelligent. It is Jeremy Sudbury's job to be omniscient? It's his job to be the Peter Thiel of everything going on with his athletes?
No it isn't. It is his job to fundraise, recruit, write training, and coach his 30 athletes at practice and on competition day. It is not Jeremy Sudbury's job to be an all-knowing deity. Hindsight is 20/20 and it is easy to say he "should have known," but I haven't heard a solid argument as to why/how he should have known.
Also, as to claims that Sudbury is complicit - NCAA coaches do not have enough incentive to allow or encourage doping. The incentives are tiny and the risks are career and life-altering. And the nature of coach-athlete relationships in college are not close enough or trustworthy enough. Someone PLEASE tell me why I am wrong, because I am not wrong. These coaches are not going to trust a 19 year-old kid's discretion with their livelihood.
Agreed, once those athletes are done practice, they are no longer in contact with coach Sudz. Why should they be? This is not summer camp where (minor aged under 18) campers have to be supervised 24/7 by camp counselors.
Coach Sudz does a wonderful job, but he's not omnipotent and can't see everything that's going on.
Coach Sudz and his athletes establish a moral contract at the beginning of cc season. Everyone agrees to abide by this moral code. It's a relationship built on trust and honor.
Go Cyclones - you're #1 in the U.S. Let's continue to uphold that standing.
"It's his job to know" "They need to clean house" "No excuse" .... this is SO frustrating and just not very intelligent. It is Jeremy Sudbury's job to be omniscient? It's his job to be the Peter Thiel of everything going on with his athletes?
No it isn't. It is his job to fundraise, recruit, write training, and coach his 30 athletes at practice and on competition day. It is not Jeremy Sudbury's job to be an all-knowing deity. Hindsight is 20/20 and it is easy to say he "should have known," but I haven't heard a solid argument as to why/how he should have known.
Also, as to claims that Sudbury is complicit - NCAA coaches do not have enough incentive to allow or encourage doping. The incentives are tiny and the risks are career and life-altering. And the nature of coach-athlete relationships in college are not close enough or trustworthy enough. Someone PLEASE tell me why I am wrong, because I am not wrong. These coaches are not going to trust a 19 year-old kid's discretion with their livelihood.
I don't think that this could've been stated any better - the sentiment that the coaches are complicit in this is crazy and naive.
Unfortunately the incentives for athletes to perform at a higher level than their competitors and even teammates in some cases is higher than ever with NIL/Revenue Sharing. I would not be surprised if Iowa State is not alone.
"It's his job to know" "They need to clean house" "No excuse" .... this is SO frustrating and just not very intelligent. It is Jeremy Sudbury's job to be omniscient? It's his job to be the Peter Thiel of everything going on with his athletes?
No it isn't. It is his job to fundraise, recruit, write training, and coach his 30 athletes at practice and on competition day. It is not Jeremy Sudbury's job to be an all-knowing deity. Hindsight is 20/20 and it is easy to say he "should have known," but I haven't heard a solid argument as to why/how he should have known.
Also, as to claims that Sudbury is complicit - NCAA coaches do not have enough incentive to allow or encourage doping. The incentives are tiny and the risks are career and life-altering. And the nature of coach-athlete relationships in college are not close enough or trustworthy enough. Someone PLEASE tell me why I am wrong, because I am not wrong. These coaches are not going to trust a 19 year-old kid's discretion with their livelihood.
It's the culture that Sudbury created that led to doping and its no surprise. When you as a coach import Kenyans rather than develop talent, its the easy way out. Athletes follow his lead and take the easy way and dope. Its not a surprise this kind of scandal broke out at Iowa State and not BYU.
"It's his job to know" "They need to clean house" "No excuse" .... this is SO frustrating and just not very intelligent. It is Jeremy Sudbury's job to be omniscient? It's his job to be the Peter Thiel of everything going on with his athletes?
No it isn't. It is his job to fundraise, recruit, write training, and coach his 30 athletes at practice and on competition day. It is not Jeremy Sudbury's job to be an all-knowing deity. Hindsight is 20/20 and it is easy to say he "should have known," but I haven't heard a solid argument as to why/how he should have known.
Also, as to claims that Sudbury is complicit - NCAA coaches do not have enough incentive to allow or encourage doping. The incentives are tiny and the risks are career and life-altering. And the nature of coach-athlete relationships in college are not close enough or trustworthy enough. Someone PLEASE tell me why I am wrong, because I am not wrong. These coaches are not going to trust a 19 year-old kid's discretion with their livelihood.
It's the culture that Sudbury created that led to doping and its no surprise. When you as a coach import Kenyans rather than develop talent, its the easy way out. Athletes follow his lead and take the easy way and dope. Its not a surprise this kind of scandal broke out at Iowa State and not BYU.
Coach Sudbury has more Americans than Kenyans (5) on the roster. The American kids all get better by training with the Kenyan B level (8:00/14:00/29:00) studs. It's like training in Kenya, without all the inconveniences of travel etc ..
Let coach Sudz (an honorable human being) and the team focus on tomorrow's Big 12. Go Cyclones!
It's the culture that Sudbury created that led to doping and its no surprise. When you as a coach import Kenyans rather than develop talent, its the easy way out. Athletes follow his lead and take the easy way and dope. Its not a surprise this kind of scandal broke out at Iowa State and not BYU.
Sorry, I don't buy this excuse at all. if you'd dope to get on varsity, then you'd dope if you were on varsity to make AA
It's the culture that Sudbury created that led to doping and its no surprise. When you as a coach import Kenyans rather than develop talent, its the easy way out. Athletes follow his lead and take the easy way and dope. Its not a surprise this kind of scandal broke out at Iowa State and not BYU.
Sorry, I don't buy this excuse at all. if you'd dope to get on varsity, then you'd dope if you were on varsity to make AA
1 or 2 non Africans may have crossed the line, not proven yet, and everyone is getting crazy with innuendo. Sad days.
Sorry, I don't buy this excuse at all. if you'd dope to get on varsity, then you'd dope if you were on varsity to make AA
1 or 2 non Africans may have crossed the line, not proven yet, and everyone is getting crazy with innuendo. Sad days.
Big 12, Lawrence, Kansas, in less than 24 hours.
Go Cyclones!
Coach Sudz is still active on Instagram showing his son and wife, nothing to hide. If he were doing stuff, he would remove his Insta account. Dude is an open book, which indicates he's 99.9% squeaky clean.
"It's his job to know" "They need to clean house" "No excuse" .... this is SO frustrating and just not very intelligent. It is Jeremy Sudbury's job to be omniscient? It's his job to be the Peter Thiel of everything going on with his athletes?
No it isn't. It is his job to fundraise, recruit, write training, and coach his 30 athletes at practice and on competition day. It is not Jeremy Sudbury's job to be an all-knowing deity. Hindsight is 20/20 and it is easy to say he "should have known," but I haven't heard a solid argument as to why/how he should have known.
Also, as to claims that Sudbury is complicit - NCAA coaches do not have enough incentive to allow or encourage doping. The incentives are tiny and the risks are career and life-altering. And the nature of coach-athlete relationships in college are not close enough or trustworthy enough. Someone PLEASE tell me why I am wrong, because I am not wrong. These coaches are not going to trust a 19 year-old kid's discretion with their livelihood.
It's the culture that Sudbury created that led to doping and it’s no surprise. When you as a coach import Kenyans rather than develop talent, it’s the easy way out. Athletes follow his lead and take the easy way and dope. It’s not a surprise this kind of scandal broke out at Iowa State and not BYU.
How is recruiting the best athletes you can get to your school “taking the easy way out”? How does recruiting the top talent mean that you aren’t still trying to develop that talent? And lastly, how does recruiting top talent mean that an athlete doping is following your lead, absolving the doper/s from personal responsibility of their actions?
So eager to point the finger at anyone but the cheater/s.
"It's his job to know" "They need to clean house" "No excuse" .... this is SO frustrating and just not very intelligent. It is Jeremy Sudbury's job to be omniscient? It's his job to be the Peter Thiel of everything going on with his athletes?
No it isn't. It is his job to fundraise, recruit, write training, and coach his 30 athletes at practice and on competition day. It is not Jeremy Sudbury's job to be an all-knowing deity. Hindsight is 20/20 and it is easy to say he "should have known," but I haven't heard a solid argument as to why/how he should have known.
Also, as to claims that Sudbury is complicit - NCAA coaches do not have enough incentive to allow or encourage doping. The incentives are tiny and the risks are career and life-altering. And the nature of coach-athlete relationships in college are not close enough or trustworthy enough. Someone PLEASE tell me why I am wrong, because I am not wrong. These coaches are not going to trust a 19 year-old kid's discretion with their livelihood.
It's the culture that Sudbury created that led to doping and its no surprise. When you as a coach import Kenyans rather than develop talent, its the easy way out. Athletes follow his lead and take the easy way and dope. Its not a surprise this kind of scandal broke out at Iowa State and not BYU.
This is a false equivalence with no sense of proportion. A coach recruiting high performing foreign athletes should not be an excuse for others to completely abandon any semblance of morality! The athlete who doped abdicated his responsibility to his team. The failing is, his and his alone (assuming the program itself is not complicit). You can blame the "conditions" all you want, but the "he made me do it" is the lamest excuse in the world. Dishonesty is an individual trait.
"It's his job to know" "They need to clean house" "No excuse" .... this is SO frustrating and just not very intelligent. It is Jeremy Sudbury's job to be omniscient? It's his job to be the Peter Thiel of everything going on with his athletes?
No it isn't. It is his job to fundraise, recruit, write training, and coach his 30 athletes at practice and on competition day. It is not Jeremy Sudbury's job to be an all-knowing deity. Hindsight is 20/20 and it is easy to say he "should have known," but I haven't heard a solid argument as to why/how he should have known.
Also, as to claims that Sudbury is complicit - NCAA coaches do not have enough incentive to allow or encourage doping. The incentives are tiny and the risks are career and life-altering. And the nature of coach-athlete relationships in college are not close enough or trustworthy enough. Someone PLEASE tell me why I am wrong, because I am not wrong. These coaches are not going to trust a 19 year-old kid's discretion with their livelihood.
It's the culture that Sudbury created that led to doping and its no surprise. When you as a coach import Kenyans rather than develop talent, its the easy way out. Athletes follow his lead and take the easy way and dope. Its not a surprise this kind of scandal broke out at Iowa State and not BYU.
Idiotic take, he created a competitive team, so of course the only way one could ever hope to make varsity is to take PEDs??
These are grown men. They made decisions, now they have to suffer the consequences.
Honestly I don't know what you expect a coach to do when they become aware of wrong doing of any type by their athletes.
It’s not fair! I’m an MLB pitcher and my team keeps importing all of these Dominicans who are better than me! If they are going to take the easy way out, I’m going to start using pine tar on the baseball.
It’s not fair! I work as a stock broker and my company is hiring all of these foreigners who are smarter than me, and they keep getting the promotions instead of me. If my company is going to take the easy way out, then so will I. I’m going to start insider trading.
It’s not fair! My law firm is importing all of these big time lawyers from out of town, and now I don’t get to go to trial. If they take the easy way out instead of making me a better lawyer, I’m going to start harassing opposing witnesses.
All of us slightly doughy American 9:20 guys running 65 miles per week should just sit in a circle and sing kumbaya and blame our lack of success on the Kenyans and inject each other with EPO.
