astro wrote:
The tests are useless. That is out the heart of it. I believe the whistleblowers.
The whistleblowers outed SC and SC then outed the whistleblowers. The remaining dudes were never involved.
10/27/2025 - This thread started well before anything was confirmed by Iowa State.
A volunteer moderator deleted several threads on this topic. That's not the way this should work. We believe in free expression and have reinstated them and merged them into this one thread.
As we wrote at the time, "If there is no truth to these rumors, please contact us at letsrun@letsrun.com or give us a call at 844-538-7786 and we will be happy to delete them and issue a statement."
It ends up appearing that the rumors had some teeth to them. Earlier today LetsRun.com co-founder Robert Johnson emailed head coach Jeremy Sudbury to let him know about this thread and asked if there was any truth to it.
At 3:31 pm ET, coach Sudbury emailed me the following:
Hello Robert,
Thank you for reaching out directly.
There were team rule violations. I have worked with our administration, and the involved athletes have been suspended and will not compete the remainder of this season.
Have a nice rest of your weekend.
Jeremy
Subsequently the Stride Report has written an article on the matter:
And coach Sudbury has confirmed to us that no one who ran in the A race at Missouri was impacted by the suspensions. We have asked him about the status of his #3 runner from Missouri as it appears he was arrested last week after leaving the scene of a traffic accident as shown here.
Previous thread titles included, "ALLEGED Doping Bust at NCAA Program. What Now?" and "Iowa State EPO"
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astro wrote:
The tests are useless. That is out the heart of it. I believe the whistleblowers.
The whistleblowers outed SC and SC then outed the whistleblowers. The remaining dudes were never involved.
Any news on possible former Furman athlete involvement? Or was the previous poster fully pulling it out of their ass
If you thought Martin Smith was an honest professional upstanding guy then you clearly didn’t know him very well
what proof do we have that its doping, besides unanimous letsrun members? im not super well versed in this stuff but am very interested.
Is langon involved. Jesus christ dont let that be true. He gives american running hope
"It's his job to know" "They need to clean house" "No excuse" .... this is SO frustrating and just not very intelligent. It is Jeremy Sudbury's job to be omniscient? It's his job to be the Peter Thiel of everything going on with his athletes?
No it isn't. It is his job to fundraise, recruit, write training, and coach his 30 athletes at practice and on competition day. It is not Jeremy Sudbury's job to be an all-knowing deity. Hindsight is 20/20 and it is easy to say he "should have known," but I haven't heard a solid argument as to why/how he should have known.
Also, as to claims that Sudbury is complicit - NCAA coaches do not have enough incentive to allow or encourage doping. The incentives are tiny and the risks are career and life-altering. And the nature of coach-athlete relationships in college are not close enough or trustworthy enough. Someone PLEASE tell me why I am wrong, because I am not wrong. These coaches are not going to trust a 19 year-old kid's discretion with their livelihood.
NCAA runner wrote:
"It's his job to know" "They need to clean house" "No excuse" .... this is SO frustrating and just not very intelligent. It is Jeremy Sudbury's job to be omniscient? It's his job to be the Peter Thiel of everything going on with his athletes?
No it isn't. It is his job to fundraise, recruit, write training, and coach his 30 athletes at practice and on competition day. It is not Jeremy Sudbury's job to be an all-knowing deity. Hindsight is 20/20 and it is easy to say he "should have known," but I haven't heard a solid argument as to why/how he should have known.
Also, as to claims that Sudbury is complicit - NCAA coaches do not have enough incentive to allow or encourage doping. The incentives are tiny and the risks are career and life-altering. And the nature of coach-athlete relationships in college are not close enough or trustworthy enough. Someone PLEASE tell me why I am wrong, because I am not wrong. These coaches are not going to trust a 19 year-old kid's discretion with their livelihood.
Agreed, once those athletes are done practice, they are no longer in contact with coach Sudz. Why should they be? This is not summer camp where (minor aged under 18) campers have to be supervised 24/7 by camp counselors.
Coach Sudz does a wonderful job, but he's not omnipotent and can't see everything that's going on.
Coach Sudz and his athletes establish a moral contract at the beginning of cc season. Everyone agrees to abide by this moral code. It's a relationship built on trust and honor.
Go Cyclones - you're #1 in the U.S. Let's continue to uphold that standing.
NCAA runner wrote:
"It's his job to know" "They need to clean house" "No excuse" .... this is SO frustrating and just not very intelligent. It is Jeremy Sudbury's job to be omniscient? It's his job to be the Peter Thiel of everything going on with his athletes?
No it isn't. It is his job to fundraise, recruit, write training, and coach his 30 athletes at practice and on competition day. It is not Jeremy Sudbury's job to be an all-knowing deity. Hindsight is 20/20 and it is easy to say he "should have known," but I haven't heard a solid argument as to why/how he should have known.
Also, as to claims that Sudbury is complicit - NCAA coaches do not have enough incentive to allow or encourage doping. The incentives are tiny and the risks are career and life-altering. And the nature of coach-athlete relationships in college are not close enough or trustworthy enough. Someone PLEASE tell me why I am wrong, because I am not wrong. These coaches are not going to trust a 19 year-old kid's discretion with their livelihood.
I don't think that this could've been stated any better - the sentiment that the coaches are complicit in this is crazy and naive.
Unfortunately the incentives for athletes to perform at a higher level than their competitors and even teammates in some cases is higher than ever with NIL/Revenue Sharing. I would not be surprised if Iowa State is not alone.