Sorry guy! Anything worth picking out of the pile you unload gets lost with the other defecates. I can't process anything that might have merit when chuckling or just shaking my head.
This might be saying as much about me as you but I can't respond.....
ernest 1978 wrote:
Why did Trump give historically black colleges the largest amount of money in history? Why did Trump pass criminal justice reform and prison reform? Why did Trump get minority unemployment to the smallest number in US history? He must be a really crappy racist......
He has given no money. What criminal justice reform did he pass?
ernest 1978 wrote:
I am not a conservative but nothing will convince me the election was legit. I think there was a lot of fraud but we don't have checks in place to catch it. And it's nearly impossible to catch fraud after the fact.
Agingrunner wrote:
Its systemic voter fraud. No justice. No peace.
Neither of you took up with the basic premises of the question, that:
- It is very difficult for us as armchair pundits to distinguish between what is a credible allegation and what is not
- It's reasonable to assume the strongest evidence ends up court
- So then if all the court challenges are unsuccessful (to be determined) we can reasonably conclude all the "evidence" we're seeing not is not credible
If you're still digging in your heels after that, aren't you just insisting on voter fraud because it "feels" like there was voter fraud. That's not a way to make a decision.
It's the hallmark of an open mind that it can be changed. Seems like you two are admitting you're just idealogues.
I am open to criticisms of the premise outlined, that would be fair.
Here is a list composed of dead people who have voted in this year's Michigan election.
Pretty easy to , follow the link to the obituary, then check their ballot status by name at -
alternate opinion wrote:
ernest 1978 wrote:
I am not a conservative but nothing will convince me the election was legit. I think there was a lot of fraud but we don't have checks in place to catch it. And it's nearly impossible to catch fraud after the fact.
Agingrunner wrote:
Its systemic voter fraud. No justice. No peace.
Neither of you took up with the basic premises of the question, that:
- It is very difficult for us as armchair pundits to distinguish between what is a credible allegation and what is not
- It's reasonable to assume the strongest evidence ends up court
- So then if all the court challenges are unsuccessful (to be determined) we can reasonably conclude all the "evidence" we're seeing not is not credible
If you're still digging in your heels after that, aren't you just insisting on voter fraud because it "feels" like there was voter fraud. That's not a way to make a decision.
It's the hallmark of an open mind that it can be changed. Seems like you two are admitting you're just idealogues.
I am open to criticisms of the premise outlined, that would be fair.
Well said.
the beagle wrote:
Agingrunner wrote:
Ok. Anyone who commits a math error from now on is discredited for life. So, yes you is dodging.
It wasn’t “committing a math error”.
I corrected myself - 11,000 allegations within 500 sworn affidavits. Stop making this conversation about my shi*ty reading comprehension and focus on the actual content of the article I shared. I'm not share why my "credibility" matters so much when I'm just sharing an article. Oh wait, I know, because the article dispels the "no evidence, move along" narrative that the mindless zombies are pushing so fiercely on this thread, and it's easier for you to just say "Thot Police got his numbers mixed up, doesn't count" than actually confront the information I am sharing.
Thot Police wrote:
the beagle wrote:
It wasn’t “committing a math error”.
I corrected myself - 11,000 allegations within 500 sworn affidavits. Stop making this conversation about my shi*ty reading comprehension and focus on the actual content of the article I shared. I'm not share why my "credibility" matters so much when I'm just sharing an article. Oh wait, I know, because the article dispels the "no evidence, move along" narrative that the mindless zombies are pushing so fiercely on this thread, and it's easier for you to just say "Thot Police got his numbers mixed up, doesn't count" than actually confront the information I am sharing.
It very clearly shows your complete inability to process the information that you yourself are presenting in an argument - of course that is important!
I’m not avoiding the content at all. If there are any credible allegations that carry significant weight then they will be fleshed out. Until then, I have serious doubts into some overwhelming significance, especially when presented by the illiterate. You probably would sign an affidavit that the red octagonal sign you saw said “Go”.
alternate opinion wrote:
ernest 1978 wrote:
I am not a conservative but nothing will convince me the election was legit. I think there was a lot of fraud but we don't have checks in place to catch it. And it's nearly impossible to catch fraud after the fact.
Agingrunner wrote:
Its systemic voter fraud. No justice. No peace.
Neither of you took up with the basic premises of the question, that:
- It is very difficult for us as armchair pundits to distinguish between what is a credible allegation and what is not
- It's reasonable to assume the strongest evidence ends up court
- So then if all the court challenges are unsuccessful (to be determined) we can reasonably conclude all the "evidence" we're seeing not is not credible
If you're still digging in your heels after that, aren't you just insisting on voter fraud because it "feels" like there was voter fraud. That's not a way to make a decision.
It's the hallmark of an open mind that it can be changed. Seems like you two are admitting you're just idealogues.
I am open to criticisms of the premise outlined, that would be fair.
And you sir, the liberal, just happened to pick out 2 conservative posters to make your point. I've already stated that Biden will win; however, there is obviously systemic voter fraud and it needs to be rooted out.
No justice. No peace
Thot Police wrote:
Here is a list composed of dead people who have voted in this year's Michigan election.
https://justpaste.it/8zt04Pretty easy to , follow the link to the obituary, then check their ballot status by name at -
https://mvic.sos.state.mi.us/Voter/Index
Good link, I hope this can be investigated.
For skeptics - I visited the Michigan Voter Information Center site from Google, not the link provided here. Also for the obituaries provided I Googled the person and date of birth and found confirmation of the death on alternate sites, not just the one provided here.
When you do that you're provided by a page that tells you when the absentee ballot application was received, when the ballot was mailed, and then when the ballot was received.
Seems legit to me. I'd be curious to see how someone argues there is an error here and that these ballots should count.
Agingrunner wrote:
And you sir, the liberal, just happened to pick out 2 conservative posters to make your point. I've already stated that Biden will win; however, there is obviously systemic voter fraud and it needs to be rooted out.
No justice. No peace
I picked the two people who responded to the question.
Thot Police wrote:
the beagle wrote:
It wasn’t “committing a math error”.
I corrected myself - 11,000 allegations within 500 sworn affidavits. Stop making this conversation about my shi*ty reading comprehension and focus on the actual content of the article I shared. I'm not share why my "credibility" matters so much when I'm just sharing an article. Oh wait, I know, because the article dispels the "no evidence, move along" narrative that the mindless zombies are pushing so fiercely on this thread, and it's easier for you to just say "Thot Police got his numbers mixed up, doesn't count" than actually confront the information I am sharing.
Well said. It falls on dead ears that are connected to feeble minds that are already made up.
Rebulphitudinal wrote:
This is beyond the pail of any alleged debate now. This 2020 election was pre-rigged with fraud nationwide. You have all these states, counties, cities and election commissions LAWYERING up to defend their OWN fraud that they never should have committed in the first instance. The election system is a fraud in America, and will always work against freedom-loving, tax-paying Americans.
Thank you, Comrade. You and so many others on this thread are correctly pointing out that America is currently the worst country in the world. It is no democracy. Every other country in the world is better, as proven by this "election". The more "evidence" of a fraudulent election, the more we can prove that America is currently the world's biggest shlt hole. After 4 years of comrade Trump in charge (to make America Great Again, like mother Russia), together with a GOP controlled senate, he has somehow only managed to have the system become the most corrupt system in the world - under his leadership. This is very perplexing and disappointing, to say the least. Like a cold golden shower, right comrade? But do not lose hope. Hold onto the ideal of a Russian Democracy, comrade, and together we can make America Russian.
only russia cares about our democracy wrote:
This is very perplexing and disappointing, to say the least. Like a cold golden shower, right comrade?
Lol pure comedy gold
Thot Police wrote:
Here is a list composed of dead people who have voted in this year's Michigan election.
https://justpaste.it/8zt04Pretty easy to , follow the link to the obituary, then check their ballot status by name at -
https://mvic.sos.state.mi.us/Voter/Index
I tried one.
A woman born in 1935. The link to the obituary 'could not be found', so i went to the site's search feature and found 3 Michigan woman with the same name (pretty common name) that did have an obituary. The woman born in 1935 had voted, the other 3 woman with the same name but dead are not even registered.
Pretty sure I found the Facebook account for the woman born in 1935. She seems to be fine. Checked her town's property tax records. She still owns her house and has paid all her taxes this year. No obituary to be found anywhere. Seems very not dead.
Let me know which names actually work...because the first random one I picked sure does seem like disinfo fluff that you haven't actually followed up on.
Thot Police wrote:
Here is a list composed of dead people who have voted in this year's Michigan election.
https://justpaste.it/8zt04Pretty easy to , follow the link to the obituary, then check their ballot status by name at -
https://mvic.sos.state.mi.us/Voter/Index
I am coming at this from a very neutral perspective, but can someone explain to me why these supposed votes cast by dead people would help democrats more than republicans? While I understand that many will respond by saying the majority of mail in votes are democrat, I don't believe this applies to fraudulent votes cast under the names of dead people. We have to remember that President Trump told his supporters at a North Carolina rally to vote both by mail and in person, and regardless of if this contributed to fraud or not, he certainly was not holding himself or his supporters to the highest levels of integrity. There is nothing about this that would make me think a democrat is more likely to use a dead relative to cast an additional ballot as opposed to a republican doing the same. Even if there was some correlation, this clearly was not done on a large enough scale to impact Biden's lead of well over 100k votes in Michigan.
I think Biden and Harris are of the Character that they would rather lose fairly then to win by cheating and they would be very mad at anyone who tried to cheat on their behalf. I am sure Honesty is extremely important to them and they would be extremely upset if anyone tried to cheat on their behalf as it would ruin their credibility and reputation as 2 people who do what they believe to be right even when it hurts them personally, professionally or any other way.
They would not accept an unfair victory.
only russia cares about our democracy wrote:
Rebulphitudinal wrote:
This is beyond the pail of any alleged debate now. This 2020 election was pre-rigged with fraud nationwide. You have all these states, counties, cities and election commissions LAWYERING up to defend their OWN fraud that they never should have committed in the first instance. The election system is a fraud in America, and will always work against freedom-loving, tax-paying Americans.
Thank you, Comrade. You and so many others on this thread are correctly pointing out that America is currently the worst country in the world. It is no democracy. Every other country in the world is better, as proven by this "election". The more "evidence" of a fraudulent election, the more we can prove that America is currently the world's biggest shlt hole. After 4 years of comrade Trump in charge (to make America Great Again, like mother Russia), together with a GOP controlled senate, he has somehow only managed to have the system become the most corrupt system in the world - under his leadership. This is very perplexing and disappointing, to say the least. Like a cold golden shower, right comrade? But do not lose hope. Hold onto the ideal of a Russian Democracy, comrade, and together we can make America Russian.
You resort to mocking, when you know you don't understand something. It's a common behavior.
** let me correct that, I found the obit they were trying to link. The person in question lived in Macomb, MI and did indeed die in the 80s.
There is a second person with the same name who submitted a ballot in Farmington, MI this year. These places are 45 miles apart. They do not have the same voting precinct. They're not even in the same county. This is not voter fraud. This is having a common name.
Let me know which name worked.
just the facts, ma'am wrote:
I tried one.
A woman born in 1935. The link to the obituary 'could not be found', so i went to the site's search feature and found 3 Michigan woman with the same name (pretty common name) that did have an obituary. The woman born in 1935 had voted, the other 3 woman with the same name but dead are not even registered.
Pretty sure I found the Facebook account for the woman born in 1935. She seems to be fine. Checked her town's property tax records. She still owns her house and has paid all her taxes this year. No obituary to be found anywhere. Seems very not dead.
Let me know which names actually work...because the first random one I picked sure does seem like disinfo fluff that you haven't actually followed up on.
You might have gotten unlucky, I tried 3 that worked. Here's one - Paul Rowley born Sep 12, 1927. The death date on the michiganobits.tributes site can be found elsewhere on the net too.
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