Fat hurts wrote:
brazen2 wrote:
Can you give me the date Kemp said this? I couldn't find it in any of his briefings.
He lifted the stay at home order and reopened businesses. The effect was that that many had to go back to work and risk their lives or go hungry. We have already covered that.
When did he tell them "they have to go back to work and risk their lives or go hungry?"
brazen2 wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
He lifted the stay at home order and reopened businesses. The effect was that that many had to go back to work and risk their lives or go hungry. We have already covered that.
When did he tell them "they have to go back to work and risk their lives or go hungry?"
So first we find out that you don't understand a sixth grade vocabulary word like "conspiracy".
Now we find out that you don't understand the concept that words can have implicit as well as explicit meaning.
When Kemp declared that businesses would reopen, he implicitly told workers that they had to risk their lives or go hungry.
Did you graduate from middle school?
Record spikes in new coronavirus cases, hospitalizations sweep parts of U.S.
June 14 (Reuters) - New coronavirus cases and hospitalizations in record numbers swept through more U.S. states, including Florida and Texas, as most push ahead with reopening and President Donald Trump plans an indoor rally in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
Alabama, Florida and South Carolina reported a record number of new cases for the third day in a row on Saturday, which many state health officials partly attribute to gatherings over the Memorial Day holiday weekend in late May.
Oklahoma reported record new cases for the second day in a row, and Alaska did so for the first time in weeks. Arizona and Nevada reported a near-record number of new cases.
The fear mongering continues
Giles Corey wrote:
The fear mongering continues
Yeah, those "fact" thingies are really annoying, aren't they?
Fat hurts wrote:
brazen2 wrote:
When did he tell them "they have to go back to work and risk their lives or go hungry?"
So first we find out that you don't understand a sixth grade vocabulary word like "conspiracy".
Now we find out that you don't understand the concept that words can have implicit as well as explicit meaning.
When Kemp declared that businesses would reopen, he implicitly told workers that they had to risk their lives or go hungry.
Did you graduate from middle school?
Thanks for clearing that up. Let's see if I have this right. Kemp implicitly said "you have to go back to work or go hungry" when he reopened Georgia?
So, there's no other implicit meaning? Just work or go hungry? No other interpretations? No other options for Georgians? Just the binary choices.
How high of a risk of death was/is there in "forcing" people back to work?
brazen2 wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
So first we find out that you don't understand a sixth grade vocabulary word like "conspiracy".
Now we find out that you don't understand the concept that words can have implicit as well as explicit meaning.
When Kemp declared that businesses would reopen, he implicitly told workers that they had to risk their lives or go hungry.
Did you graduate from middle school?
Thanks for clearing that up. Let's see if I have this right. Kemp implicitly said "you have to go back to work or go hungry" when he reopened Georgia?
So, there's no other implicit meaning? Just work or go hungry? No other interpretations? No other options for Georgians? Just the binary choices.
How high of a risk of death was/is there in "forcing" people back to work?
We can disagree on the implicit meaning of his statements. And we already covered that.
As for your second question, go ask an actuary.
Fat hurts wrote:
brazen2 wrote:
Thanks for clearing that up. Let's see if I have this right. Kemp implicitly said "you have to go back to work or go hungry" when he reopened Georgia?
So, there's no other implicit meaning? Just work or go hungry? No other interpretations? No other options for Georgians? Just the binary choices.
How high of a risk of death was/is there in "forcing" people back to work?
We can disagree on the implicit meaning of his statements. And we already covered that.
As for your second question, go ask an actuary.
Yeah. that's what I thought. Just like Giles - spewing unsubstantiated hogwash.
I'm asking you since you're apparently a mind reader. Do you think Kemp received risk assessments before gradually opening Georgia or did he just think "f**k it. These people need to get back to work even if it kills them"?
Would you also say all the other Governors implicitly told their state's residents to risk death and get back to work or go hungry too? Or was this just a Georgia thing?
p. n. wrote:
Giles Corey wrote:
The fear mongering continues
Yeah, those "fact" thingies are really annoying, aren't they?
Facts?
Overblown hype is more accurate.
Record spikes in new coronavirus cases, hospitalizations sweep parts of U.S.
June 14 (Reuters) -
"record numbers "
"swept through more U.S. states",
"a record number of new cases for the third day in a row on Saturday,"
"record new cases for the second day in a row,"
Spiking. Surging. Soaring. Bodies piling up
This is not journalism
This is a sales campaign.
The fear mongering continues
brazen2 wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
We can disagree on the implicit meaning of his statements. And we already covered that.
As for your second question, go ask an actuary.
Yeah. that's what I thought. Just like Giles - spewing unsubstantiated hogwash.
I'm asking you since you're apparently a mind reader. Do you think Kemp received risk assessments before gradually opening Georgia or did he just think "f**k it. These people need to get back to work even if it kills them"?
Would you also say all the other Governors implicitly told their state's residents to risk death and get back to work or go hungry too? Or was this just a Georgia thing?
I can say with certainty that health experts believed it was too dangerous to reopen. Georgia had not met the guidelines for opening.
But given Kemp's reaction when asked about health guidance, it sounded to me like he did not seek or heed advice from health experts. If I remember correctly, there was evidence that indeed, he had not consulted with any health expert except a brief conversation with the head of GA DPH.
It was not just a Georgia thing. Any governor that recklessly reopened without meeting accepted health criteria was putting workers at risk.
But getting back to whether Georgia's reopening has been a good thing, a few notes about the data:
Today, the 7-day average for daily cases hit 826. That is the highest level since April 19th.
Looking at the chart, which is probably a better indicator, we see that the 7-day average on June 1st hit 722, which is the highest level since April 25th. (Remember, that for the chart you need to look approximately two weeks in the past.)
Deaths have not spiked. It still looks like it is leveling off.
The thing I'm most concerned about right now is school openings in August. If case numbers keep going up it's going to be hard to have school.
Fat hurts wrote:
But getting back to whether Georgia's reopening has been a good thing, a few notes about the data:
Today, the 7-day average for daily cases hit 826. That is the highest level since April 19th.
7-day average for daily tests administered (total tests):
April 19th - 3,640 (25,480)
June 1st - 10,623 (74,359)
June 14th - 11,598 (80,906)
On June 14th, Georgia reported 21,110 tests - nearly as many as were reported for the seven days from April 13-19.
brazen2 wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
But getting back to whether Georgia's reopening has been a good thing, a few notes about the data:
Today, the 7-day average for daily cases hit 826. That is the highest level since April 19th.
7-day average for daily tests administered (total tests):
April 19th - 3,640 (25,480)
June 1st - 10,623 (74,359)
June 14th - 11,598 (80,906)
On June 14th, Georgia reported 21,110 tests - nearly as many as were reported for the seven days from April 13-19.
Yes, some of the comparison to April is suspect because of increased testing. That in itself may explain why deaths are not rising.
I'm more concerned that we seem to be going in the wrong direction right now. Both cases and positivity have ticked up. I'd like to see deaths going down instead of sideways.
6/14 Data
Good news - another day of improvement, measured by the rolling 7 day average of COVID deaths.
Both the globe and the US continued their improvements.
The US is down to 770 deaths per day, while a month ago that number was 1,426. This is not a jagged decline..it's very close to every day.
The world is down to 4,300 per day, compared to 4,666 a month ago. Also steady decline, although not as long-term as the US.
Daily new cases have been stalled in the US for a long time...really hasn't changed since May 11.
But of course the hot zone has shifted to Southeastern and Southwestern states.
Manhattan has just single digit deaths each day now. Texas actually went the right way in the rankings - down to 42nd worst state after being 41st for a long time.
Around the globe new cases continue to rise to all time highs, even as deaths fall off. No changes in the rankings of the nations I follow.
The big question continues to be the divergence between growing case counts and falling death counts. Why? Will deaths catch up ? Or is the rise in cases an artifact of some kind of testing anomaly?
WTF is this continuing assumption that COVID-19 *must* kill the same percentage of infected people forever?
I have multiple docs in the family, with a significant fraction on the front lines. They have better ideas on how to treat the victims of SARS-CoV-2 now, so fewer of them are dying.
The state of medical science and practice does not remain static. There's more happening than just the development of vaccines.
[quote]Fat hurts wrote:
But getting back to whether Georgia's reopening has been a good thing, a few notes about the data:
Today, the 7-day average for daily cases hit 826. That is the highest level since April 19th.
Looking at the chart, which is probably a better indicator, we see that the 7-day average on June 1st hit 722, which is the highest level since April 25th. (Remember, that for the chart you need to look approximately two weeks in the past.)
Has the number of tests increased?
kibitzer wrote:
WTF is this continuing assumption that COVID-19 *must* kill the same percentage of infected people forever?
It's a misconception that several people have on here. "We're waiting for the high number of deaths that must come."
They have a difficult time realizing how things have changed from 1-3 months ago.
1) We know which groups have the highest CFR - we've worked to protect those and educate those most at risk.
2) We are testing a significantly higher number of people every day.
3) We have better treatment options and available resources for treatment.
...the list goes on.
There is no reason to think that the CFR will remain constant.
brazen2 wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
But getting back to whether Georgia's reopening has been a good thing, a few notes about the data:
Today, the 7-day average for daily cases hit 826. That is the highest level since April 19th.
7-day average for daily tests administered (total tests):
April 19th - 3,640 (25,480)
June 1st - 10,623 (74,359)
June 14th - 11,598 (80,906)
On June 14th, Georgia reported 21,110 tests - nearly as many as were reported for the seven days from April 13-19.
Fat hurts lies and bends facts to fit his personal liberal agenda. Don't respond to the old man, he's still upset over Hillary's Guaranteed Landslide Victory in 2016 and will never get over it.
Fat hurts wrote:
brazen2 wrote:
Yeah. that's what I thought. Just like Giles - spewing unsubstantiated hogwash.
I'm asking you since you're apparently a mind reader. Do you think Kemp received risk assessments before gradually opening Georgia or did he just think "f**k it. These people need to get back to work even if it kills them"?
Would you also say all the other Governors implicitly told their state's residents to risk death and get back to work or go hungry too? Or was this just a Georgia thing?
I can say with certainty that health experts believed it was too dangerous to reopen. Georgia had not met the guidelines for opening.
But given Kemp's reaction when asked about health guidance, it sounded to me like he did not seek or heed advice from health experts. If I remember correctly, there was evidence that indeed, he had not consulted with any health expert except a brief conversation with the head of GA DPH.
It was not just a Georgia thing. Any governor that recklessly reopened without meeting accepted health criteria was putting workers at risk.
Kemp's the sort of guy that claims he didn't learn asymptomatic people could be carriers until APRIL. That strikes me as the sort of guy that didn't do too many risk assessments before reopening. You put too much faith in white guys with good heads of hair.
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/490758-georgia-governor-says-he-didnt-know-asymptomatic-people-could-spreadkibitzer wrote:
WTF is this continuing assumption that COVID-19 *must* kill the same percentage of infected people forever?
I have multiple docs in the family, with a significant fraction on the front lines. They have better ideas on how to treat the victims of SARS-CoV-2 now, so fewer of them are dying.
The state of medical science and practice does not remain static. There's more happening than just the development of vaccines.
I've heard there's been success with controlling the immune system from freaking out and killing the victim