US and NATO have dozens of allies and they share power.
RU has no allies other than Belarus and one or two 'Stans.
China has exactly one ally: NK.
That tells you what you need to know about who is the aggressor.
So you don't want to take into account the fact that the US has military bases in over 100 foreign nations while Russia does in less than a handful.
You wouldn't understand this because you hate America, and have become a recent convert to some weird, fringe strain of Trumpism (that not even he endorses), but 98% of Americans are very happy we have military bases and allies all over the world. Americans pretty much unanimously support the American military and its budgets for reasons we would have thought were obvious even to childish, wanna-be contrarians like yourself.
So we all do take into account "he fact that the US has military bases in over 100 foreign nations while Russia does in less than a handful" and we don't give a rip if it makes your hero Putin and his scumbag friends unhappy.
Just like the Russians committed genocide in Crimea in 1944, then repopulated it.
Oh wait, so what happened to natives of North America and the slaves from Africa brought to what now is called USA?
Did you already pay the reparations and give land back to it's rightful owners in order to be in a position to judge how Russian- speaking people happen to inhabit Crimea and Donbas?
No hypocricy will be tolerated. Admit your own genocides, war crimes, pay reparations, give back what's stolen and only then you will get moral right to tell other countries off.
Now it's easy to critisize others while living that good life in a country with stolen land and built on slave labour.
I know Switzerland is no saint, but I also have no problem with borders being rewritten to suit the need of people. If Donbas and Crimea don't want to be a part of Ukraine, then let them leave. If Texas or California don't want to be a part of USA, let them leave as well.
Cool rant. It has nothing to do with the current conflict, as you know. Nor does it contradict what I wrote about Russia's genocide of Crimean Tatars in 1944.
Prior to Russia invading Crimea and Donbas, every poll I've found showed roughly 50% support for those regions remaining part of Ukraine. There was NEVER anything approaching overwhelming support for them to become separate countries or part of Russia, until after Russia invaded (at which point the polls can not be trusted).
Oh wait, so what happened to natives of North America and the slaves from Africa brought to what now is called USA?
Did you already pay the reparations and give land back to it's rightful owners in order to be in a position to judge how Russian- speaking people happen to inhabit Crimea and Donbas?
No hypocricy will be tolerated. Admit your own genocides, war crimes, pay reparations, give back what's stolen and only then you will get moral right to tell other countries off.
Now it's easy to critisize others while living that good life in a country with stolen land and built on slave labour.
I know Switzerland is no saint, but I also have no problem with borders being rewritten to suit the need of people. If Donbas and Crimea don't want to be a part of Ukraine, then let them leave. If Texas or California don't want to be a part of USA, let them leave as well.
Cool rant. It has nothing to do with the current conflict, as you know. Nor does it contradict what I wrote about Russia's genocide of Crimean Tatars in 1944.
Prior to Russia invading Crimea and Donbas, every poll I've found showed roughly 50% support for those regions remaining part of Ukraine. There was NEVER anything approaching overwhelming support for them to become separate countries or part of Russia, until after Russia invaded (at which point the polls can not be trusted).
Pretty sure the people in Donbas were not happy with 8 years of bombing from Ukraine 2014-2022.
WE do know for a fact that Crimea chose to join the Russian Federation in 2014 with a vote of nearly 90% choosing to do so -- 8 years prior to the Russian invasion. That's beyond overwhelming.
Cool rant. It has nothing to do with the current conflict, as you know. Nor does it contradict what I wrote about Russia's genocide of Crimean Tatars in 1944.
Prior to Russia invading Crimea and Donbas, every poll I've found showed roughly 50% support for those regions remaining part of Ukraine. There was NEVER anything approaching overwhelming support for them to become separate countries or part of Russia, until after Russia invaded (at which point the polls can not be trusted).
Yeah, keep ignoring the point. But Soviet (not Russia) genocide of Crimean tatars also has nothing to do with the fact, that now people that live there want nothing to do with Kiev or Zelensky. I have posted a map already that showed which parts of Ukraine had large protests after illegally overthrowing of the government in 2014.
Btw, any comments by anyone on the (il)legality of the regime change in 2014? Anybody cares to twist history to make it look like it was ok, the way it happened?
Cool rant. It has nothing to do with the current conflict, as you know. Nor does it contradict what I wrote about Russia's genocide of Crimean Tatars in 1944.
Prior to Russia invading Crimea and Donbas, every poll I've found showed roughly 50% support for those regions remaining part of Ukraine. There was NEVER anything approaching overwhelming support for them to become separate countries or part of Russia, until after Russia invaded (at which point the polls can not be trusted).
Pretty sure the people in Donbas were not happy with 8 years of bombing from Ukraine 2014-2022.
WE do know for a fact that Crimea chose to join the Russian Federation in 2014 with a vote of nearly 90% choosing to do so -- 8 years prior to the Russian invasion. That's beyond overwhelming.
No. The people of Donbas were not happy with Russian troops supporting separatists, who were bombing civilians and committing war crimes for 8 years between 2014 and 2022.
You do realize that Russia invaded Crimea in 2014, before the "referendum" you keep citing? That's right. This is the second time in 8 years that Russia has invaded Ukraine.
Just like the Russians committed genocide in Crimea in 1944, then repopulated it.
Oh wait, so what happened to natives of North America and the slaves from Africa brought to what now is called USA?
Did you already pay the reparations and give land back to it's rightful owners in order to be in a position to judge how Russian- speaking people happen to inhabit Crimea and Donbas?
No hypocricy will be tolerated. Admit your own genocides, war crimes, pay reparations, give back what's stolen and only then you will get moral right to tell other countries off.
Now it's easy to critisize others while living that good life in a country with stolen land and built on slave labour.
I know Switzerland is no saint, but I also have no problem with borders being rewritten to suit the need of people. If Donbas and Crimea don't want to be a part of Ukraine, then let them leave. If Texas or California don't want to be a part of USA, let them leave as well.
please.
what Russia is doing now is in the same lifetime as what Russia/USSR did in 1932. And then Russia/USSR went on to treat Ukraine as a vassal state for another 60 years. This is well in the lifetimes of many of us.
Russia is an imperial power in Eurasia. RU sees itself as the natural owner of an area going from Belarus to the very tip of Asia near Alaska. Putin sees it as his right to re-gain the entire swath of land that was USSR and probably the Warsaw Pact also. That's what's going on here and talking about evils of the 19c are not relevant.
The West has every right to stop evil from happening despite what Julius Caesar or Napoleon or US Grant did.
I mean that's a massive whataboutist leap you are taking. one of the largest I've seen. Kudos for that audacity I suppose.
the magnitude of his failure is absolutely staggering, like Mussolini in Greece and North Africa in the 1940s.
When mentioning failures, please do not forget USA's retreat in Afghanistan. Taliban just had a 1 year celebration of being back in power, now stronger than ever. And those were cavemen, with no weaponry or intelligence support from the West, unlike Ukraine.
Just your friendly reminder about hypocricy. Do not let it get the best of you.
what Russia is doing now is in the same lifetime as what Russia/USSR did in 1932. And then Russia/USSR went on to treat Ukraine as a vassal state for another 60 years. This is well in the lifetimes of many of us.
Russia is an imperial power in Eurasia. RU sees itself as the natural owner of an area going from Belarus to the very tip of Asia near Alaska. Putin sees it as his right to re-gain the entire swath of land that was USSR and probably the Warsaw Pact also. That's what's going on here and talking about evils of the 19c are not relevant.
The West has every right to stop evil from happening despite what Julius Caesar or Napoleon or US Grant did.
I mean that's a massive whataboutist leap you are taking. one of the largest I've seen. Kudos for that audacity I suppose.
Oh, so let's narrow it down to one lifetime instead of two, how convenient. If you ever noticed, every single political post of mine is more about hypocricy than anything else. And it's not whataboutism, it's just no tolerance for double standards.
If you insist on two lifetimes being ok, then just ignore what's going in Ukraine, since it does not concern you anyways and your grandchildren should already be ok with any changes on the map :)
Oh wait, so what happened to natives of North America and the slaves from Africa brought to what now is called USA?
Did you already pay the reparations and give land back to it's rightful owners in order to be in a position to judge how Russian- speaking people happen to inhabit Crimea and Donbas?
No hypocricy will be tolerated. Admit your own genocides, war crimes, pay reparations, give back what's stolen and only then you will get moral right to tell other countries off.
Now it's easy to critisize others while living that good life in a country with stolen land and built on slave labour.
I know Switzerland is no saint, but I also have no problem with borders being rewritten to suit the need of people. If Donbas and Crimea don't want to be a part of Ukraine, then let them leave. If Texas or California don't want to be a part of USA, let them leave as well.
The West has every right to stop evil from happening despite what Julius Caesar or Napoleon or US Grant did.
I mean that's a massive whataboutist leap you are taking. one of the largest I've seen. Kudos for that audacity I suppose.
Haha!
There isn't even the usual superficial appeal to that particular whataboutism. "Explorers on the North American continent mistreated the natives they encountered, so therefore, the Russian invasion and killing of Ukrainian citizens is justified because . . . . you know, like, double standards and stuff . . . . look, I'm not going to just spell it out for you goddamit!"
what Russia is doing now is in the same lifetime as what Russia/USSR did in 1932. And then Russia/USSR went on to treat Ukraine as a vassal state for another 60 years. This is well in the lifetimes of many of us.
Russia is an imperial power in Eurasia. RU sees itself as the natural owner of an area going from Belarus to the very tip of Asia near Alaska. Putin sees it as his right to re-gain the entire swath of land that was USSR and probably the Warsaw Pact also. That's what's going on here and talking about evils of the 19c are not relevant.
The West has every right to stop evil from happening despite what Julius Caesar or Napoleon or US Grant did.
I mean that's a massive whataboutist leap you are taking. one of the largest I've seen. Kudos for that audacity I suppose.
Oh, so let's narrow it down to one lifetime instead of two, how convenient. If you ever noticed, every single political post of mine is more about hypocricy than anything else. And it's not whataboutism, it's just no tolerance for double standards.
If you insist on two lifetimes being ok, then just ignore what's going in Ukraine, since it does not concern you anyways and your grandchildren should already be ok with any changes on the map :)
So, do you support all invasions? Or no invasions? You've already said you support Russia "liberating" the people of Donetsk by force, so you must therefore support US-led invasions elsewhere? Or, are you also a hypocrite? And, is it the pinnacle of hypocrisy to complain about hypocrisy, when you are a hypocrite about hypocrisy?
When mentioning failures, please do not forget USA's retreat in Afghanistan. Taliban just had a 1 year celebration of being back in power, now stronger than ever. And those were cavemen, with no weaponry or intelligence support from the West, unlike Ukraine.
Just your friendly reminder about hypocricy. Do not let it get the best of you.
Hmm....I'm trying to remember a large neighboring superpower that failed miserably in Afghanistan during Putin's lifetime, from which he might have derived a very relevant lesson...hmmmm.
>Date24 December 1979 – 15 February 1989 (9 years, 1 month, 3 weeks and 1 day) LocationAfghanistan ResultAfghan mujahideen victory Withdrawal of Soviet forces from Afghanistan<
Also, remind me how many Afghani cities the U.S. reduced to rubble, killing tens of thousands of civilians and forcing millions to flee, while threatening the rest of the world with nuclear options, in their time there?
You Putler Youth are just plain pathetic.
Since your memory is so great, would you remind all of us how many civilians did USA murder in Afghanistan in 20 years? And since you fancy a nuclear talk, you might also remind everyone which country is the only one to have ever used a nuclear weapon on another country. Insane levels of hypocricy, my boy.
Oh, so let's narrow it down to one lifetime instead of two, how convenient. If you ever noticed, every single political post of mine is more about hypocricy than anything else. And it's not whataboutism, it's just no tolerance for double standards.
If you insist on two lifetimes being ok, then just ignore what's going in Ukraine, since it does not concern you anyways and your grandchildren should already be ok with any changes on the map :)
So, do you support all invasions? Or no invasions? You've already said you support Russia "liberating" the people of Donetsk by force, so you must therefore support US-led invasions elsewhere? Or, are you also a hypocrite? And, is it the pinnacle of hypocrisy to complain about hypocrisy, when you are a hypocrite about hypocrisy?
You seem to not understand what hypocricy is. It's setting double standards, i.e.: "what we do is good, but what you do is bad", though it is exactly the same thing that is being done.
Either be quiet about Russian business in Ukraine, or condemn your wrongdoings first and then those of Russia. You don't get to blame Russia for doing exactly the same thing the US has been doing in multiple countries - "liberating", or "bringing democracy".
This is the reason why wars exist, because every country sees themselves in the right. Russian population sees itself doing the same thing in Ukraine, as Americans thought to be doing in Afghanistan: bringing order, liberating people, getting rid of evil.
I, for one, wish Europe would kick out US from NATO and for once start looking out for its own interests, i.e., cheap oil and gas from Russia to advance our tech sector even further. Ukraine needs to solve its own problems and remember that those right across the border matter much more than those protected by the realms of an entire ocean.
I also hate the fact, that EU politicians have been lying to Ukraine about how they just about to join the EU. Ukraine is insanely far away from the EU in every facet possibly. I don't even consider Lithuania or Romania EU, as those are parasitic countries that do not bring in anything of significance towards prosperity of the union. They sure seem to get a lot of EU funding though, much of which lands in pockets of private people, due to crazy levels of unpunished corruption.
