ALBERTO SALAZAR BANNED FROM ATHLETICS FOR FOUR YEARS FOR DOPING VIOLATIONS

I'm fine with this result, but we have other instances where a coach is clearly caught with banned substances, in a foreign country no less, and has athletes actually holding or in possession of the substances at a training camp location/hotel and WADA does nothing. It really does seem that they only go after who they want to go after for the sake of perception. Of course if you rail against THAT coach, you are branded as a racist and a bigot, even though his actions speak for themselves, no matter the pigment of his skin. He's a cheat pure and simple, just as AS is for looking for the easy way out. One gets publicly crucified and he other is free to go about his business.

Cheaters never prosper.

And I won't be seeing you in heaven.

L-Carnitine is legal, unless you take too much.

Caffeine is legal, unless you take too much.

That's how I see the L-Carnitine deal. Who cares (yes I know, many on here care and that's why there is a polarization)

Androgel, come on. Who cares unless you fail a test.

Asthma and thyroid meds. Ok, now that's sketchy.

No EPO. No HGH. No clebuterol (sp?) Those things are not legal at all. Different.

The boyscouts sure come out on these threads....I've never seen any positive tests for the NOP athletes competing at the international level, have you?

Letsrun knuckleheads wrote:

L-Carnitine is legal, unless you take too much.

Caffeine is legal, unless you take too much.

Androgel, come on. Who cares unless you fail a test.

Asthma and thyroid meds. Ok, now that's sketchy.

No EPO. No HGH. No clebuterol (sp?) Those things are not legal at all. Different.

You have made enormous errors throughout your post.

Go study up on the WADA code and the facts and maybe you can take a make-up test.

Fair or Foul my butt. I'm gonna rob a bank, but my intentions are sweet. I'm gonna be nice and take care I don't even load my gun. I'm even gonna give every dime to my choice of charity. That is the kind of explaination you get from every bank robber, that you finally arrest down the road. The truth is way different of the robbery that day, but we caught him a week later. We don't know what these drugs do down the road, long term, say to Jordan Hasay. Some young guy comes down with prostate cancer way to early. I notice he lied and denied until evidence mounted and then we get the sweet routine. You do the crime do the time. How do you put something in the bodies of your young people that could be dangerous to them. IMHO!

I read the article and am pretty underwhelmed by the accusations

* Gave too much L-carnitine to Steve Magness. Who cares? He's a coach not an athlete

* "Told his athletes that infusions were injections blah blah blah" Don't know what that means, nor do I care

* Gave testosterone to his son, another Nike employee. Again not an athlete... don't care

I think Alberto Salazar is and outstanding runner and excellent coach. Not only has he produced for himself but has help other runners reach their best. To now say that every runner that ran for OP is or has doped is a reckless accusation and not consistent with the WADA report that sanctioned him. However, pending his appeal, I accept the WADA decision and am disappointed in Alberto for his pushing the envelope and then steeping over the line on doping. At the end of the day what he did probably had zero impact on an athlete's performance which makes his behavior all the more thoughtless.

No Nyet wrote:

This is important news that needs to come out and the ban is warranted, but for PR purposes, couldn't they have waited until after the World Championships, so we could appreciate that meet?

You are like a teenager begging his him to let him polish off one last twelve-pack and an eighth of weed at the end of a years-long bender before being carted off to rehab. You wanted to enjoy a doping carnival for a few more days even at the expense of finding this news (which wasn't exactly news of anything besides the suspension per se).

I mean really, that in a nutshell is what you want -- to be able to keep the flames of your own delusions burning a little longer and a little brighter. To what purpose?

subject matter jurisdiction wrote:

Can you clarify who you are referring to as "the people in charge of this?"

It is clear that USADA argued vociferously that Salazar was well and intentionally outside of the rules. They must be very disappointed by this outcome.

The people who (mostly) accepted his explanation for being outside of the rules were the panel.

Sorry, my taint was throbbing for some reason and I became distracted. I meant to emphasize that the people who cooked up that statement in all likelihood didn't believe it. I know it goes down pointless roads to presume state of mind, but the perfect way to soften the blow -- and critically, not just to Al Sal but the combined Nike-USATF brand -- is to portray him as more incompetent than evil, maybe even a sympathetic figure.

After all, what's the downside? The punishment doesn't change. And since Salazar's influence likely hasn't ended, why piss him off if your're anyone connected to anyone in American distance running?

I'm with you. I don't see what the big deal is.

I actually sympathize with Salazar now, after (1) all the whiny, jealous, self-righteous, egotistical (typical runner characteristics) comments came in from the "elite crowd", and (2) knowing what the exact accusations are. I hope he wins the appeals! Go Alberto!

You need to contact USADA and tell them their own statement - which I quoted - and their consequential sanction - is wrong. Because you've read their report. Cognitive dissonance much. But in your case, clearly understandable. In Letsrun we can always depend on the apologists to come out for the dopers, like cockroaches from the walls. You're a good argument for better pest control.

Perineal tendeinitis wrote:

No Nyet wrote:

This is important news that needs to come out and the ban is warranted, but for PR purposes, couldn't they have waited until after the World Championships, so we could appreciate that meet?

You are like a teenager begging his him to let him polish off one last twelve-pack and an eighth of weed at the end of a years-long bender before being carted off to rehab. ?

Sounds like fun!

I don't get it, are you for Lance or against him?

Jordan Hasay just released a statement on her instagram in defense of Salazar citing that he is "father-like" and "professional". Jordan, as a college educated woman, I would hope that just because someone is "father-like" and "professional", it does not exclude themselves from committing doping violations.

Your ignorance is bliss wrote:

So you guys think that all of this is coincidental?

1) Salazar started using testosterone before he retired

2) Slaney got busted for doping with testosterone while Salazar was helping coach her

3) Charts show that Rupp was on testosterone medication from an early age after starting to work with Salazar

4) Trainers found hypodermic needles and testosterone gel in Salazar's room at training camp

5) Salazar would have trainers take days off to personally massage Rupp

6) Salazar tested the amount of testosterone it would take to trigger a positive test on his own son

Amazing post on page 25. Amazing. ^^^^^ Very well put.

Landislivs wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

You need to contact USADA and tell them their own statement - which I quoted - and their consequential sanction - is wrong. Because you've read their report. Cognitive dissonance much. But in your case, clearly understandable. In Letsrun we can always depend on the apologists to come out for the dopers, like cockroaches from the walls. You're a good argument for better pest control.

I don't get it, are you for Lance or against him?

The spirit of Lance is alive and well in track - and other sports. You can work out for yourself if I am for or against that.

Reasonably well put, cos lets face it, you could easily add another dozen or more to that list.

rojo wrote:

Your ignorance is bliss wrote:

So you guys think that all of this is coincidental?

1) Salazar started using testosterone before he retired

2) Slaney got busted for doping with testosterone while Salazar was helping coach her

3) Charts show that Rupp was on testosterone medication from an early age after starting to work with Salazar

4) Trainers found hypodermic needles and testosterone gel in Salazar's room at training camp

5) Salazar would have trainers take days off to personally massage Rupp

6) Salazar tested the amount of testosterone it would take to trigger a positive test on his own son

Amazing post on page 25. Amazing. ^^^^^ Very well put.

So why did the summary of the ruling basically apologize to Salazar? I've never seen anything like that where the summary of the sanction is something like, "Yes, he has a 4 year ban, but he consulted with us about 100 times and only messed up maybe 2 or 3. So we feel bad because that's a 97-98% which super admirable, but rules are rules and so we begrudgingly must give him 4 years of forced vacation before coming back." Maybe that's exaggerating a little, but did anyone else find that odd?