Yup and those dudes ran a few overlapping splits. Unfortunately I can’t find him on social media.
Yup and those dudes ran a few overlapping splits. Unfortunately I can’t find him on social media.
browsing, no opinion wrote:
LA sure has a lot of unregistered runners. 10k mat.
They're all part of Frank's team.
Well, found Waldo. A bit ahead of where figured he'd be, but he's there.
3017_246512 - 25K (Doheny Drive just after Santa Monica and the perfect place to cut the course - see course map).
Frank Meza Report wrote:
His only pics show up near the timing mats and normal places like usual. So it didn’t matter LAM used a new photo vendor. You’re giving him too much credit. In fact he can’t be found the last third of the race.
Can someone tell me which timing mat this is?
3017_246512
And the location of this photo. 3017_067805 It will save me some time.
Thanks!
Since he didn’t necessarily know exactly where the photos would be taken, he had to have been transported personally to each mat and photo shoot by car or bike.
As I said in a previous post, he shows up in the standard photo locations as other runners except for not all of his photos appear in his own photostream. For example, one of his sequences can be found in the photostream for bib 1108.
3017_246512 is at the 25k mat.
Golgi Body wrote:
Mark’s Thoughts2 wrote:
All this would have to be done with fairly consistent 5k splits:
20:02 (Downhill)
20:17 (Uphill 1st half of 5k)
20:33 (Flat)
21:21 (Flat)
20:02 (Downhill)
21:23 (Uphill)
20:44 (Uphill)
19:47 (Downhill)
09:01 (Downhill)
That's a total misrepresentation. Yeah, "uphill" and "downhill" - right! Technically, maybe - but anybody running the course would call it basically flat.
The uphill and downhill labels were solely based on the course elevation profile. Everyone if affected differently by uphills and downhills:
https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/lamarathon.com/misc-images-files-pdfs/Elevation-Chart.pdf?mtime=20141120220328Big Fella. wrote:
Frank Meza Report wrote:
And the location of this photo. 3017_067805 It will save me some time.
Thanks!
Sorry, can't help, but what is interesting is that the big fella he's running with in 3017_067805 , Bib: 1108 Race Time: 03:04:21, has gazillions of photos in the race compared to Frankie (well, heaps more anyway), funny that, wonder where Frankie was?
That big fella was running near Frank with many photos together, but had a very bad last part of the race as can be seen by his splits. He has more photos than Frank, but in the same locations.
he's a cheater wrote:
3017_246512 - 25K (Doheny Drive just after Santa Monica and the perfect place to cut the course - see course map).
Course map link below. Neglagible benefit from cutting the course from 25k to the end as can be seen on the map. Also, 25k to 30k was his slowest 5k.
https://www.lamarathon.com/event-info/the-course/course-map3017_067805 - is at Santa Monica and Doheny. The guy he's running with is No. 1108 (ran a 3:04), but was running 6:37 pace through 25K. The course at this point zigs zags through BH. If you stay on SM Blvd., or make your way back to SM Blvd., you can cut the course. In the photos with No. 1108, it looks like FM is tiring and fading, but based on the splits, he runs 30 seconds faster for the next 5K. It's only a matter of time before someone puts this puzzle together.
he's a cheater wrote:
It's only a matter of time before someone puts this puzzle together.
yep that'll be frank he'll come on here and put the pieces together and you'll all go home devastated
he's a cheater wrote:
3017_067805 - is at Santa Monica and Doheny. The guy he's running with is No. 1108 (ran a 3:04), but was running 6:37 pace through 25K. The course at this point zigs zags through BH. If you stay on SM Blvd., or make your way back to SM Blvd., you can cut the course. In the photos with No. 1108, it looks like FM is tiring and fading, but based on the splits, he runs 30 seconds faster for the next 5K. It's only a matter of time before someone puts this puzzle together.
Frank had his slowest 5k from 25k to 30k. Yes, he was ~30 seconds faster than 1108 on that 5k but only because that poor guy was crashing and burning. The last 5ks for 1108 starting at 25k were:
21:55
23:49
24:59
10:50 (final 2+ k)
So 1108 was slower than anyone he was near after 25k.
Yes, you can cut a little bit off on the zig zag, but it is tiny in comparison to the 17k left in the race. Given it was Frank’s slowest 5k, there is little evidence that he cut the zig zags.
for No. 1108 - look for him on strava. good luck.
1108 may have the answer. based on the clock time, frank is 21 seconds behind 1108 at 5K, 13 seconds ahead of 1108 at 10K, 2 seconds ahead of 1108 at 15K, 45 seconds behind 1108 at 20K, 3 seconds behind 1108 at 25K and 30 seconds ahead of 1108 at 30K.
Golgi Body wrote:
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That would definitely annoy me - thinking I was top 3, then being demoted to 4th because some old geezer somehow gamed the system.
What are you talking about? Gaming the system? He ran (supposedly) faster than the other old geezer, end-of. He's entitled to start where ever he likes. Its up to 'you'/the other bloke to work out the best strategy.
sticking w/ 1108, there's a picture of him on rodeo drive and wilshire (one of the zags on the course). there was a photographer at the corner and it appears the photographer got lots of pictures of lots of runners, particularly those in the sub three hour range. not surprisingly, there's no pictures of FM. 1108 comes through, then there's 23146... and on the following page 22940 (pictured running w/ 1108 by the Mann Chinese Theatre). this photographer was located around 17.1/17.2 miles in on the course. FM is pictured w/ 1108 at mile 15 and just b/f mile 15.
it's only a matter of time.
https://www.finisherpix.com/gallery/photobrowser/en/USD/3017#All/Run/32031
FollowMe wrote:
Yeah, no doubt. If I were one of the best age group runners ever, and I found out that people questioned my results, I would invite people to follow me and record me with video cameras.
This and much more. Everyone would announce in a big way that he would be looking for a reputable event on the track as soon as possible, running at least 5000m, so it's just plain clear what's up. Every 2:53 marathoner can run out of the stand at least a very deep 18 year round. He cranked out 18:xx splits within marathons.
solving your puzzle wrote:
sticking w/ 1108, there's a picture of him on rodeo drive and wilshire (one of the zags on the course). there was a photographer at the corner and it appears the photographer got lots of pictures of lots of runners, particularly those in the sub three hour range. not surprisingly, there's no pictures of FM. 1108 comes through, then there's 23146... and on the following page 22940 (pictured running w/ 1108 by the Mann Chinese Theatre). this photographer was located around 17.1/17.2 miles in on the course. FM is pictured w/ 1108 at mile 15 and just b/f mile 15.
it's only a matter of time.
https://www.finisherpix.com/gallery/photobrowser/en/USD/3017#All/Run/32031
Wasn't this the main evidence against the "guy that can't be named"? People looked at every photo and found that he was the only runner not caught by photographers?
I think the running media does not cover Frank because they have concluded that he is probably not the real deal and were burned by him after crediting his now erased 2014 CIM result. Contrast this to Gene Dykes whose results are covered extensively, even though his results are slower than Mesa (if Mesa is legit).
Banner. wrote:
Golgi Body wrote:
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That would definitely annoy me - thinking I was top 3, then being demoted to 4th because some old geezer somehow gamed the system.
What are you talking about? Gaming the system? He ran (supposedly) faster than the other old geezer, end-of. He's entitled to start where ever he likes. Its up to 'you'/the other bloke to work out the best strategy.
I disagree. A road race is not merely a matter of thousands of people running personal time trials, and then comparing times afterwards. It's a race! In principle, you get to run directly against your competition. After all, if you could just start wherever you wanted, you might have situations where top runners decided to start a minute behind the lead pack, run their own evenly-paced race, and end up winning without being the first to cross the finish line. If somebody outright won the race in that manner, wouldn't you have a problem with it? Well, age group competition operates on the same principle.
You can think of all sorts of scenarios. What if Matt Centrowitz, after winning the Olympic 1500 gold in a slow, tactical race, had it taken away afterwards and was told, sorry, Asbel Kiprop did a personal time trial immediately after the race, and beat your time by 10 seconds. That may be an extreme illustration, but it's to illustrate the principle.
Granted, there are thousands of participants in some of these marathons Meza runs, but anybody under 3 hours is pretty much going to be in the top 100 or so, so you can actually sometimes keep an eye on age group rivals in those circumstances.
Golgi Body wrote:
While perhaps not his gravest sin, another annoying thing about Meza (even if you insist that his performances are legit) is his habit of leap-frogging people in the race results due to his late starts. For instance, in the 2014 Santa Clarita Marathon, he appears to have won the Masters division by finishing 35 seconds ahead of John Vigil on chip time despite finishing 36 seconds after him in the actual race.
Granted, I don't know if John Vigil knew or cared about this, or how much masters runners try to monitor the progress of their rivals during a race, but the point is, it seems very unsportsmanlike to do it that way. I take it as a given that one should start the race in the appropriate part of the pack, within reason, and faster runners can't use the excuse that they didn't know where to place themselves. IIRC, in one of the smaller marathons he raced, he moved up from 4th overall to 3rd overall based on the gun time/chip time differential. That would definitely annoy me - thinking I was top 3, then being demoted to 4th because some old geezer somehow gamed the system.
There is a Senior runner in our area and "leap-frogging" is their primary means of racing. The person will purposely stand off the start line, to the side, out-of-vision (hiding); and then approaching the finish chute - once again hide off to the side and purposely not try pass due to having no kick. The person will only try to make-up the difference in the chip-time. I consider this a coward's way to race. It is a bummer to lead through-out a race; and, be across the finish line ahead of this person - only to be "chipped" by a coward.
Do the same analysis for the wax museum on Hollywood. Chinese theatre too.
Hollywood Blvd?
