Serious thread about election fraud

But he is a racist.

How can the media interfere in an election? And tech companies?

You realize people are allowed to express their political opinions -- and corporations are just groups of people?

Agingrunner wrote:

Nice dodge. Does he have less credibility than a guy that goes by Trollism?

How is it a dodge to discard the critical thinking abilities of someone who was off so badly?

Thank you, comrade. You get it. USA is no democracy, not like mother Russia. Mother Russia is the democracy that USA dreams of, and which Trump would give you, if this election wasn't stolen by allowing people to vote and then counting those votes. Why do you not suppress more votes? Even better, stop putting more than one name on the ballot. You lose the minute you give the sheeple a choice. You sway away from the democratic principles of mother Russia and you end up with Biden, that is your problem.

Then - you want to allow the courts to have a second look? Courts that need actual evidence? Evidence? Are you all insane? Now Trump will just lose again and again. That is not a good look for a strong white dominant male (like all Russian males). It is weakness. How many times do you let him lose before you embrace true Russian democracy?

But comrade, you are wrong, the elite must rule over the weak. Trump is the elite of the elite. He was born to tell you what to do. And if he does not like immigrants or criminals or black people (are these different things?) you do not question the elite of the elites. You don't become a billionaire being weak and non-elite. Stop giving weak people a choice. This is undemocratic.

ernest 1978 wrote:

What I am most concerned with is what happened before the election. Clear election interference by the media, tech companies, democrats in congress (phony impeachment and refusing to pass a coronavirus stimulus), hollywood propaganda, and many more. Hundreds of examples of every establishment being out to hurt Trump and help Biden.

Just an example - My niece is in college and she said she was voting for Biden because she saw on CNN that Trump is white supremacist. That's demonstrably not true. People are being brainwashed by the "elites." It's a threat to our democracy.

You are very ill informed. Reading is really not that difficult. I am not going to get into a tit-for-tat with you because I learned not to get into a pissing contest with an uninformed skunk.

But...

If the impeachment was phony why did Trump refuse to testify, disallowed others from testifying, and punished those who did testify? Why did Barr redact all portions of the Mueller report that incriminated Trump? The house passed several virus stimulus bills but McConnell would not put them to a vote because they were geared to small businesses and middle/lower class. This is unlike that first stimulus that made corporations, Kushner and DeVos and those like them richer while mom & pop businesses went under.

Why do you think there are hundreds of examples out to expose Trump?

Could it be he attacks anyone pointing out his lies? The guy cheated to get into college, to avoid serving in the military, on multiple wives with porn stars and hookers, on his taxes, students at scam universities, and set up a cancer charity and pocketed the contributions, but everyone should not expose or attack him?

Here's a quick read. Maybe your neice is the brainchild of the family. And those that are easily brainwashed are not the bastions of intellect to start with.

10/10

You are brainwashed. Trump received the highest % of the minority vote for a Republican since 1960 back when Democrats were pushing for segregation.

If Trump is a racist, then why are more minorities voting for him? Are you calling those minorities dumb? If so, then YOU are the racist.

Why did Trump give historically black colleges the largest amount of money in history? Why did Trump pass criminal justice reform and prison reform? Why did Trump get minority unemployment to the smallest number in US history? He must be a really crappy racist......

ernest 1978 wrote:

Trump received the highest % of the minority vote for a Republican since 1960 back when Democrats were pushing for segregation.

Trump pulled that Grand Ole Party up to 8%. That is 8 out of every 100, 80 out of every thousand, or 800 out of every 100,000.

That test score might make it ice-cream cake day at the earnest household, but pretty $hitty for most others.

I dont know why people keep pretending we have a clear picture of who voted for Trump v Biden. The exist poll data is extremely weak this year particularly because of mail in ballots.

Also, it shouldn't need to be pointed out that a person could be a racist even with POC supporting them. In my mind Biden is absolutely a racist, at the very least he was a racist. But he is not retweeting people shouting 'white power' like the toddler in chief has done. Big difference.

alternate opinion wrote:

libster wrote:

Serious question time -

The internet including this thread is ablaze with allegations & evidence.

The truth is that none of us can verify any of the claims here. So I’m at the point where I’m assuming the best & credible evidence will end up in court, and anything else was weak or misinformation. Fair? I’m not sure how else I’m supposed to sort through it.

The question then is - if the trend continues where all of Trump’s lawsuits are unsuccessful, will that be enough to satisfy the conservatives who presently believe there was fraud? If not - is it possible to convince you, what would it take?

Any response to this?

Its systemic voter fraud. No justice. No peace.

This is beyond the pail of any alleged debate now. This 2020 election was pre-rigged with fraud nationwide. You have all these states, counties, cities and election commissions LAWYERING up to defend their OWN fraud that they never should have committed in the first instance. The election system is a fraud in America, and will always work against freedom-loving, tax-paying Americans.

So is Biden. So there's that.

Agingrunner wrote:

So is Biden. So there's that.

I saw a talk from an African-American woman who supported various civil rights including BLM but was not an organizer for it.

She said Biden gets a pass that he has seen his errors and has changed his way of thinking. She said the fact that he supported Obama in every way possible is more than enough to give him a chance. She went on that Biden never tried to show him up, kept his mouth shut, complemented his work in every way, and stayed out of the way means something to African Americans. This is not the history they have known according to the speaker.

This is just one opinion and I don't know if it erases a history, but her opinion means one hell of lot more than mine.

I see you offering substance rather than just parroting Trump synchophant blather, so I thought you might find this interesting.

george c wrote:

Agingrunner wrote:

So is Biden. So there's that.

I saw a talk from an African-American woman who supported various civil rights including BLM but was not an organizer for it.

She said Biden gets a pass that he has seen his errors and has changed his way of thinking. She said the fact that he supported Obama in every way possible is more than enough to give him a chance. She went on that Biden never tried to show him up, kept his mouth shut, complemented his work in every way, and stayed out of the way means something to African Americans. This is not the history they have known according to the speaker.

100% agreement with Obama is the only proven method for a white man's Atonement.

Rebulphitudinal wrote:

100% agreement with Obama is the only proven method for a white man's Atonement.

I have no idea what you are implying. That you agree with the speaker? That she is just one opinion? Somehow a smear toward Obama?

Obama was just a small part of the message. It was "her opinion" that African Americans are not used to seeing a white person of power stand clear and allow credit and prestige to a black person. She feels Biden did this and has earned a chance to prove it.

Sure he gets a pass he's on the 'right' team. And thanks for the anecdotal evidence. Trump was a racist also(most of his life was spent as a Democrat).

Biden hasn't changed his ways. He doesn't apologize for the crime bill that we know for a fact targeted minorities and directly created the policing problems that BLM complains about. Biden and Obama had 8 years to pass criminal justice reform and prison reform. THEY DIDN'T.

Biden was 1/100th as smart as Obama. He wasn't capable of showing Obama up. Biden contributed nothing because he wasn't smart enough to contribute anything. Obama wouldn't even endorse Biden during the primary.

It was Biden that said "you ain't black" during the campaign. Not Trump. It was Biden that said "poor kids are just as smart as white kids" during the campaign. Biden called black people "predators" when lobbying for his crime bill. Biden deported more people than Trump. Biden built the cages at the border. Biden gave a eulogy for KKK leader. Hell, even his own VP pick called him racist.

the beagle wrote:

Agingrunner wrote:

Nice dodge. Does he have less credibility than a guy that goes by Trollism?

How is it a dodge to discard the critical thinking abilities of someone who was off so badly?

Ok. Anyone who commits a math error from now on is discredited for life. So, yes you is dodging.

Agingrunner wrote:

the beagle wrote:

How is it a dodge to discard the critical thinking abilities of someone who was off so badly?

Ok. Anyone who commits a math error from now on is discredited for life. So, yes you is dodging.

It wasn’t “committing a math error”.