This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
I responded to the Offit video weeks ago. His case is that the mRNA vaccines work SO WELL that we should be focusing on newer modalities that improve sterilizing immunity. I point this out last time, surprised that you had become an mRNA cheerleader. Not going to help the supplement pyramid scheme you are current forcing on your friends and family.
As for the lame fearmongering about the spike protein… we know COVID delivers a longer exposure to more parts of the body. Go quake in fear over that.
Actually, that’s not his “case.” In fact, natural immunity relegates the booster to irrelevancy. Also, it didn’t provoke a compelling response in Rhesus macaques. And it really only was tested in eight mice to get approval. Hence his “monkeys lie and mice exaggerate” or whatever it was comment. He was appalled we approved it for young people. His main point is that we rammed it through without a proper vetting.
It doesn’t matter that Covid delivers a longer exposure, which pharmacokinetic studies, in totality, don’t even support. That’s not the point.
The funniest thing is that I invited “scientists, MDs, & EpiRunners” to respond, not you, just like last time. Specifically excluded you, but your arrogance that you are somehow a legit scientist knows no bounds.
you may have noticed that prople who have ifentified themselves as doctors or scientists are no longer participating at this thread.
1) it is a bad idea to assert credentials here whether true or false
2) a lot of the arguments have been recycled(eg transmission) and nobody enjoys having to wade through them more than once
3) there is consensus that there is significant benefit from receiving three vaccinations. There is a reasonable debate to be had about whether the fourth shot or the omicron booster should be widely utilized. That is not really where folks on Letsrun are coming from though, so You are unlikely to see much from folks with relevant backgrounds here.
The pro-vaxxers doctors/scientists are up for crimes against humanity, negligent homicide by gross incompetence is going to be their (only) best defense. The wiser ones aren't just quiet now, but actively scrubbing their pro vax history and trying to move towards winning side.
We can hope that scumbag public officials everywhere will get what they deserve, but government and corporate leaders are bought off and corrupt to such an extent that the expected outcomes will be a slap on the wrist for their grievous crimes. *********
EU Prosecutor Opens Probe Into Covid Jabs Procurement By AFP - Agence France Presse; October 14, 2022
The EU prosecutor's office on Friday said it had opened an active investigation into the acquisition of Covid-19 vaccines in the European Union but gave no details.
The European Commission has served as the centralised pre-purchaser of coronavirus vaccines for the EU's 27 members but those countries were then responsible for buying supplies from that centralised stock.
"This exceptional confirmation comes after the extremely high public interest. No further details will be made public at this stage," the European Public Prosecutor's Office (EPPO) tweeted.
It was not clear what the possible target of the investigation was.
Commission chief Ursula von der Leyen is in hot water with the EU Ombudsman's office for refusing to hand over mobile phone SMS messages she exchanged with the CEO of Pfizer, Albert Bourla, as her EU executive was arranging contracts.
Doug Brignole, an icon in the world of bodybuilding and an author, has died at the age of 63. The cause of death has not been revealed yet. Brignole strongly supports with vaccination against COVID. His last statement on the...
The Baker Institute at Rice University in Texas held a symposium on Friday on Texas Vaccine Policy. The 88th Texas Legislative Session will begin in January 2023, and the 2022 Texas Vaccine Policy Symposium gathered together...
According to a report from the Disinformation Chronicle, multiple employees of the PR firm Weber Shandwick are embedded at the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. The firm has long represented Pfi...
you may have noticed that prople who have ifentified themselves as doctors or scientists are no longer participating at this thread.
1) it is a bad idea to assert credentials here whether true or false
2) a lot of the arguments have been recycled(eg transmission) and nobody enjoys having to wade through them more than once
3) there is consensus that there is significant benefit from receiving three vaccinations. There is a reasonable debate to be had about whether the fourth shot or the omicron booster should be widely utilized. That is not really where folks on Letsrun are coming from though, so You are unlikely to see much from folks with relevant backgrounds here.
The pro-vaxxers doctors/scientists are up for crimes against humanity, negligent homicide by gross incompetence is going to be their (only) best defense. The wiser ones aren't just quiet now, but actively scrubbing their pro vax history and trying to move towards winning side.
Actually, that’s not his “case.” In fact, natural immunity relegates the booster to irrelevancy. Also, it didn’t provoke a compelling response in Rhesus macaques. And it really only was tested in eight mice to get approval. Hence his “monkeys lie and mice exaggerate” or whatever it was comment. He was appalled we approved it for young people. His main point is that we rammed it through without a proper vetting.
It doesn’t matter that Covid delivers a longer exposure, which pharmacokinetic studies, in totality, don’t even support. That’s not the point.
The funniest thing is that I invited “scientists, MDs, & EpiRunners” to respond, not you, just like last time. Specifically excluded you, but your arrogance that you are somehow a legit scientist knows no bounds.
you may have noticed that prople who have ifentified themselves as doctors or scientists are no longer participating at this thread.
3) there is consensus that there is significant benefit from receiving three vaccinations. There is a reasonable debate to be had about whether the fourth shot or the omicron booster should be widely utilized. That is not really where folks on Letsrun are coming from though, so You are unlikely to see much from folks with relevant backgrounds here.
Nonsense. There is no evidence that any of the jabs are safe or effective.
Fortunately more and more people are waking up and are not taking more boosters.
Let's hope the damage that has been done by prior jabs is not fatal to them
you may have noticed that prople who have ifentified themselves as doctors or scientists are no longer participating at this thread.
3) there is consensus that there is significant benefit from receiving three vaccinations. There is a reasonable debate to be had about whether the fourth shot or the omicron booster should be widely utilized. That is not really where folks on Letsrun are coming from though, so You are unlikely to see much from folks with relevant backgrounds here.
Nonsense. There is no evidence that any of the jabs are safe or effective.
Fortunately more and more people are waking up and are not taking more boosters.
Let's hope the damage that has been done by prior jabs is not fatal to them
Good thing is people are not giving them to their children. Still less than 5% of kids 6 and under have been jabbed.
Pfizer announced on Tuesday that it would issue a digital comic book in collaboration with Marvel to urge people to get the COVID shot and become an ‘everyday hero.’ “Pfizer and BioNTech announced our new collaboration with M...
And other countries.Provisional Mortality StatisticsLatest releaseProvisional deaths data for measuring changes in patterns of mortalityhttps://www.abs.gov.a...
Go to @ 5:20 of the attched video for an analysis of the comorbidities present in Australia "Covid Deaths".
The Covid believers always belittle just how sick these people who died "of" Covid were before they got Covid. They claim most people have a few of these comorbidities and so it was Covid, not the other problems, that killed them
Chronic cardiac conditions -- 39% of Covid deaths.
Dr. Anthony Fauci, who recently announced he would be leaving his government post as White House chief medical adviser, claimed innocence on the fallout from school shutdowns.
Edward Dowd, a former Wall Street analyst and BlackRock portfolio manager, examines the epidemic of sudden deaths over the course of 2021 and 2022: a phenome...
So-called "fact checkers" have been scrambling to defend Pfizer after one of the pharmaceutical giant's senior executives testified under oath that the company never tested its COVID-19 against transmission of the virus.
I responded to the Offit video weeks ago. His case is that the mRNA vaccines work SO WELL that we should be focusing on newer modalities that improve sterilizing immunity. I point this out last time, surprised that you had become an mRNA cheerleader. Not going to help the supplement pyramid scheme you are current forcing on your friends and family.
As for the lame fearmongering about the spike protein… we know COVID delivers a longer exposure to more parts of the body. Go quake in fear over that.
Actually, that’s not his “case.” In fact, natural immunity relegates the booster to irrelevancy. Also, it didn’t provoke a compelling response in Rhesus macaques. And it really only was tested in eight mice to get approval. Hence his “monkeys lie and mice exaggerate” or whatever it was comment. He was appalled we approved it for young people. His main point is that we rammed it through without a proper vetting.
It doesn’t matter that Covid delivers a longer exposure, which pharmacokinetic studies, in totality, don’t even support. That’s not the point.
The funniest thing is that I invited “scientists, MDs, & EpiRunners” to respond, not you, just like last time. Specifically excluded you, but your arrogance that you are somehow a legit scientist knows no bounds.
You excluded me because you knew I’d tear your tired arguments to shreds.
Offit is a huge vaccine proponent and the core of his argument against the new boosters is that the current vaccines work extremely well. Natural immunity is nothing special. About the same as a booster but worse in that you get a less broad immune response.
The point of the low quality opinion piece you posted was to fear monger the spike protein by spewing random hypotheses. Sadly this argument completely backfired due to the fact that the COVID virus also delivers the spike protein to more of the body and for longer. Oops! Probably should have thought for more than 3 seconds instead of just spamming a random article.
A lack of testing data and government guidance led many to avoid the COVID-19 vaccine during pregnancy, unwittingly increasing their chances of a stillbirth.
Actually, that’s not his “case.” In fact, natural immunity relegates the booster to irrelevancy. Also, it didn’t provoke a compelling response in Rhesus macaques. And it really only was tested in eight mice to get approval. Hence his “monkeys lie and mice exaggerate” or whatever it was comment. He was appalled we approved it for young people. His main point is that we rammed it through without a proper vetting.
It doesn’t matter that Covid delivers a longer exposure, which pharmacokinetic studies, in totality, don’t even support. That’s not the point.
The funniest thing is that I invited “scientists, MDs, & EpiRunners” to respond, not you, just like last time. Specifically excluded you, but your arrogance that you are somehow a legit scientist knows no bounds.
You excluded me because you knew I’d tear your tired arguments to shreds.
Offit is a huge vaccine proponent and the core of his argument against the new boosters is that the current vaccines work extremely well. Natural immunity is nothing special. About the same as a booster but worse in that you get a less broad immune response.
The point of the low quality opinion piece you posted was to fear monger the spike protein by spewing random hypotheses. Sadly this argument completely backfired due to the fact that the COVID virus also delivers the spike protein to more of the body and for longer. Oops! Probably should have thought for more than 3 seconds instead of just spamming a random article.
Lol, oh yes, I fear your wrath and sciency condemnation.
Already characterized Offit (and Dr Z) as pro-vax. No $hit, Offit was on the FDA advisory committee. The “core” of his argument is that the bivalent booster was only tested in Rhesus macaques, without a good response, and eight lab mice, which doesn’t translate well to humans. Hence his no vote. ALSO, the fact that there is immunological imprinting, whether vaccine induced or virus induced. “There’s always that.”
Low quality “opinion” piece that sources many other scientific studies?
“2. Evidence for Systemic Biodistribution of COVID-19-Vaccine-Induced S Protein in Vaccinated Subjects
A study published in May 2021 documented for the first time circulating vaccine-induced S protein in the blood of 11 out of 13 subjects as early as one day after injection of the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine, up to 150 pg/mL and for about two weeks after injection [7]. Immediately, it was observed that such concentrations were several orders of magnitude lower than those needed to bind ACE2 receptors, and that in any case after two weeks no trace of the protein was detectable in blood. Soon after, however, a report was published describing the case of a woman suffering from Moderna-COVID-19-vaccine-induced thrombocytopenia and with 10 ng/mL vaccine-induced S protein levels in plasma 10 days after vaccination [8], thus nearly 100 times higher than those reported previously [7], suggesting excessive vaccine-induced production of S protein as a determinant of vaccine toxicity. Meanwhile, both vaccine mRNA and vaccine-induced S protein were shown in axillary lymph nodes up to 60 days after the second dose of both Moderna or BioNTech–Pfizer COVID-19 vaccines [9], thus showing that endogenous production of S protein following vaccination may occur for much longer than previously thought. The S protein has been so far identified in endomyocardial biopsies of patients with myocarditis up to nearly two months following COVID-19 vaccination [10], in circulating monocytes of patients with post-acute sequelae of COVID-19 (PASC)-like symptoms following COVID-19 vaccines [11], in the vesicular keratinocytes and endothelial cells in the dermis in a patient who had persistent skin lesions due to varicella zoster virus (VZV) reactivation over three months after COVID-19 vaccination [12], and the S protein mRNA was present in the right deltoid and quadriceps muscles of a woman with myositis one month after injection of the BioNTech–Pfizer COVID-19 mRNA vaccine into the left deltoid muscle [13]. Taken as a whole, evidence strongly supports the possible link between inappropriate expression of S protein in sensitive tissues and subsequent tissue damage.”
The virus doesn’t stick around that long unless you are a vaccinated, immunocompromised patient who can not eradicate it fully.
Not hard to find your sore spots. Are you mad bro that I had mild Covid that I mitigated and have broader, more durable immunity than you? Not only dense, but extremely arrogant. Not hard to predict you would respond. I excluded you because I want real scientists and MDs to opine. But you can’t help yourself.
By the way, I have never “raged” against the vaccine. I have absolutely promoted it for certain, high risk cohorts. Just not everyone. You big, libelous dummy.
As for the lame fearmongering about the spike protein… we know COVID delivers a longer exposure to more parts of the body. Go quake in fear over that.
I think the point is that for quite some time we've been reassured continually that the spike protein from injections remains local. Evidence continues to mount that this isn't the case (dysregulation of the menstrual cycle should have been an early tipoff). This represents a clear failure in our understanding of the mechanism of the vaccines, and it's not fair to just sweep it under the rug like it's no big deal because COVID is worse. It is in fact a big deal and it shouldn't be happening.
Comparing to COVID infection isn't a 1:1 comparison for two reasons: a) a significant part of the population has had 4-5 vaccines, but very few people have been infected that many times, and b) the vast majority of vaccinated people still have gotten COVID 1-2 times.
Hopefully the right people will look into what's happening and future iterations of the vaccine will solve the problem so that those who choose to get further vaccinated aren't exposed to whatever ancillary things may be happening. If it turns out to be an unavoidable consequence of mRNA technology, then perhaps other vaccine forms may be preferable.
All the times Covidiocy and joedirt and carmine and gang have raged against vaccines… they were actually causing still births, it seems.
How charming
Where did I ever state pregnant women shouldn't get vaccines? Pregnant women are immuno-compromised. I have always had exceptions for those over 40 and those who are immuno-compromised. What do you have to say about the CDC withholding booster data on the 18-49 crowd that showed no or negative effectiveness?
All the times Covidiocy and joedirt and carmine and gang have raged against vaccines… they were actually causing still births, it seems.
How charming
Where did I ever state pregnant women shouldn't get vaccines? Pregnant women are immuno-compromised. I have always had exceptions for those over 40 and those who are immuno-compromised. What do you have to say about the CDC withholding booster data on the 18-49 crowd that showed no or negative effectiveness?
Besides, you don't even believe a fetus is a life.
