Sage Canaday Reports Cam Hanes to USADA After 58-Year-Old’s 2:39 Eugene Marathon

That survey is more than 15 years old. Cam was stupid enough to admit to doping while the other 30% kept quiet. If you are going to dope, don't post it on social media and talked about in a podcast, and then run in a race that is sactioned. That is just completely stupid.

Once RFK Jr gets bpc 157 fda approved and wada allows it under a doctor supervision like cam did was it really cheating? Or would you rather have someone out for a year due to surgery and maybe never be able to return to the sport? A simple yes or no.

once it's no longer cheating is it cheating? listen to yourself. bring back the other troll.

can't we all just get along

Peter Thiel and people want that to happen. They should look at what became of the Sacklers, who used political pressure to rush through a drug approval. My guess is it won't be approved before Trump leaves office anyway. Dems are almost assuredly going to win the House and have a 50/50 shot at the Senate. I doubt they'll be inclined to back the steroid bros of the Rogansphere with the funding needed for clinical trials in the next two years. After that, Trump's irrelevant and politics will be a lot different.

Just a quick update as I discussed some of the over-reaching themes and issues (and nuance) on Jeff Garmire's ("Freeoutside") podcast here (linked below): Investment money. Health Optimization and Bio-Hacking, Enhanced Games. Influencers vs Competitive Athletes etc.

Apparently things like these banned peptides (specifically BPC-157) are seeping more and more into marathons and ultras as "gym bro optimization culture" perhaps influences it?

Being more of a "Youtube old school guy" I will admit I was a bit disappointed also with the "Boulder Boys" take on all of this also as well as Singletrack pod. Especially coming from Drew (who i ran with in person when I lived in Boulder also). The one guy didn't even know who Cam was and had to look him up during the podcast to then talk about him on the spot. It's too bad Matt Daniels wasn't on this episode as he and I go way back.

Anyway, despite some of Cam's clan literally wishing death on me and calling me every insult and swear word under the sun I think this whole issue also reveals how many "well established and semi-competitive ultra runners" in the "content creation space" have shown their true colors. Sure, I'm biased also...but at least I'll admit to that! (and no I don't have a TUE...you can look that all up).

It's a sad day for sport all around and there are no "winners" here. I have a lot to lose and basically nothing to gain. That's my 2 cents for now...

Thanks for the support and understanding!

-Sage

on a lighter note (and I'll probably get called a "hater" for promoting this as well) but:

you left leaning blokes always bring it back to Trump don't ya.

Because of Cam Hanes and the many age group aces like him I migrated to pickleball - a sport far more difficult to cheat at. When what is in my medicine cabinet is far more important than any training I do, that is when I will migrate to pickle.

When a runner with absolutely pitiful mechanics pounds me by 5 minutes in a 10k, then I will migrate to pickle. When you just KNOW that age group ace is "on something" then I will migrate to pickle.

Sad thing is modern high school kids are taking the same stuff as Cam Hanes.

My advice to older runners is: run - yes; just don't race. It is a stacked deck; stacked against you.

I know one thing - Cam Hanes is not bageling me in pickleball, although he might bagel me in the marathon with his 2:39.

How say u?

Yeah because for a lot of hobby joggers running is one of the biggest parts of their life. If you tell one them they can either not run and do a surgery that might not work and than have to do a few months of physical therapy. Or take peptides for a few weeks. A lot of people are going try the non surgical route.

Eight year olds, dude

The mechanism and experimental data for bpc-157 appears far more consistent with something that would improve performance in a healthy person than something that would heal an injury such that someone went from absolutely needing surgery to not needing surgery.

Those same mechanisms (angiogenesis in particular) are also a serious concern for the potential promotion of cancers.

I think the boulder boys just started talking without really understanding the situation, they should have done some research about it at least. I’m thinking Adam and Matt will have something to say when they come back on.

That article says, "None of this is to say EPO in the 1990s was OK." EPO use in the 1990s caused deaths, but at least it had passed basic clinical trials (which were somewhat rushed for it because one of the illnesses it helped was HIV, which at the time was a death sentence). With BPC-157, no clinical safety trials have been done, there's just a couple of venture capital firms that think anti-aging is a huge potential market and see it as a vehicle to make money. These firms are effective political operators and have built political support for it. But there's still no independent data as to its safety. So it could do all sorts of things. There are very real concerns about it making nascent cancer worse and speeding along stage ii, iii, and IV. But there could be a bunch of other things we are not aware of either. I remember the 1990s when opioids were the wonder drug to eliminate pain. 30 years later, we have the fentanyl crisis.

I just want to clarify by political operators, I mean people who spread campaign donations around to all sides of the aisle. The most effective DC people don't really care whether who wins likes Trump or not, they donate to both Dems and Republicans. The biopharma industry has long been donating to most Members of Congress, it's why it is so powerful.

What happens if I show up to a pickleball match with a tennis racket? Because that's what showing up to a race doped is.

I noticed that Dylan Bowman has been removed from the Speedland athlete page since the Cam Hanes stuff came about.

Did the guy who they did the first athlete commission for quit the brand because of the support Speedland has shown Cam? Haven't seen a DBo shoe since the first GS while Cam has had multiple commissions.

Might be nothing, but noticed that DBo predictably has stayed out of this one. Guess Cam isn't elite enough for DBo's attention.

Streisand effect is a thing!