This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
My understanding is that the most recent studies of years of life lost used mean as is appropriate and then use multiple factors to try to estimate the number of years lost. That requires a mechanism of going through case by case, which frustratingly, means it is essentially impossible to check.
The average 80 year old does not have 4 deadly comorbidities.
In some states, the majority of covid deaths took place in nursing homes...places with median life expectancy from time of entry of five months (yep, months, not years).
Years of life lost per Covid death is probably well below one year on average -- one year of very poor quality of life lost
You know all three of you are arguing about two very different measures. Median is not mean. I’d probably say median is the better measure, but regardless…no wonder you guys still can’t agree on anything given that we are intentionally missing the point on middle school math terms.
Median is not precisley equal in meaning to average or mean.
However, the two are not "very different measures". In typical distributions -- like the measure of Covid deaths -- they are usually quite close in value
Classic example: Pick a major financial metropolis and calculate mean and median incomes. The latter can be nearly double the former because outliers tug at the average. Not the same measure if you don’t have a normal distribution. COVID deaths are a (quite significantlt) left-skewed distribution.
Coronavirus disease-19 (COVID-19) mRNA vaccines are the mainstays of mass vaccination campaigns in most Western countries. However, the emergency conditions in which their development took place made it impossible to fully ch...
Median is not precisley equal in meaning to average or mean.
However, the two are not "very different measures". In typical distributions -- like the measure of Covid deaths -- they are usually quite close in value
Classic example: Pick a major financial metropolis and calculate mean and median incomes. The latter can be nearly double the former because outliers tug at the average. Not the same measure if you don’t have a normal distribution. COVID deaths are a (quite significantlt) left-skewed distribution.
It's a skewed distribution, but it turns out that it only shifts the difference between mean and median a couple years.
"By the end of last week, the administration expected between 13 and 15 million people out of 283.4 million Americans aged 12 and up will have opted to get the updated Moderna or Pfizer jab ahead of what officials warn could be another deadly Covid winter."
"That’s just five percent of the eligible population — a sign of the stark challenge facing a Biden administration that has positioned October as a make-or-break month for the overall success of its booster campaign. Top health officials have downplayed the low takeup, saying the numbers are a good start."
"But ahead of the critical stretch, doctors and advocates said people are burned out, tuned out and don’t understand why they need another booster. And even some administration officials privately acknowledge there’s little internal expectation they’ll see an explosion of interest."
My understanding is that the most recent studies of years of life lost used mean as is appropriate and then use multiple factors to try to estimate the number of years lost. That requires a mechanism of going through case by case, which frustratingly, means it is essentially impossible to check.
The average 80 year old does not have 4 deadly comorbidities.
In some states, the majority of covid deaths took place in nursing homes...places with median life expectancy from time of entry of five months (yep, months, not years).
Years of life lost per Covid death is probably well below one year on average -- one year of very poor quality of life lost
right, the multiple factors in the study includes factoring in comorbidities. That was included in the study carmine derided which calculated 14 years. Again, this is using the mean not the median which is the appropriate average for this matter.
As for the comorbidities, a number of them are incredibly common such as obesity hypertension, physical inactivity, and diabetes. Those people are not outliers in the 75+ population. The 9+ Year life expectancy includes them, not just the rare 80 yrar old with no health issues whatsoever.
My understanding is that the most recent studies of years of life lost used mean as is appropriate and then use multiple factors to try to estimate the number of years lost. That requires a mechanism of going through case by case, which frustratingly, means it is essentially impossible to check.
The average 80 year old does not have 4 deadly comorbidities.
In some states, the majority of covid deaths took place in nursing homes...places with median life expectancy from time of entry of five months (yep, months, not years).
Years of life lost per Covid death is probably well below one year on average -- one year of very poor quality of life lost
Also, the percentage of deaths coming from nursing homes has steadily dropped. As of 1/20/22 staff and residents accounted for 23-24% of total US deaths
More than 200,000 long-term care facility (LTCF) residents and staff have died due to COVID since the start of the pandemic (Figure 1). The CDC’s latest update reporting data on nursing home deaths…
My understanding is that the most recent studies of years of life lost used mean as is appropriate and then use multiple factors to try to estimate the number of years lost. That requires a mechanism of going through case by case, which frustratingly, means it is essentially impossible to check.
The average 80 year old does not have 4 deadly comorbidities.
In some states, the majority of covid deaths took place in nursing homes...places with median life expectancy from time of entry of five months (yep, months, not years).
Years of life lost per Covid death is probably well below one year on average -- one year of very poor quality of life lost
No, it's probably longer than one year.
Looking at the data for Covid deaths and Excess All-Cause deaths (see graphic), we see the two tracking pretty closely in general. Each spring, thus far, we've seen a period of excess deaths that are lower than the reported Covid deaths (dashed black line). We can reasonably presume that is indicative of deaths of persons who likely would have died within a few months having that date moved up. In a statistical sense these "early deaths" create a void in the baseline a few months out.
These voids, however, are a small fraction of the total difference. If, hypothetically, every Covid death were a person who would have died a year later, then after the first year there'd be a baseline deficit of 400k persons in the second year All-Cause deaths and we'd expect the excess to be much smaller than the Covid deaths. This isn't the case. The average years of life lost per Covid death has to be on the order of several years at a minimum.
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And the part about "should offer" protection. That helps too.
Useful information. Thanks, Jha.
"U.S. health officials are most concerned about the elderly. Jha told reporters last week that 70% of those dying from Covid are 75 and older. He said most elderly people who are dying either are not up to date on their vaccines or are not receiving treatments after they have a breakthrough infection."
Median is not precisley equal in meaning to average or mean.
However, the two are not "very different measures". In typical distributions -- like the measure of Covid deaths -- they are usually quite close in value
Classic example: Pick a major financial metropolis and calculate mean and median incomes. The latter can be nearly double the former because outliers tug at the average. Not the same measure if you don’t have a normal distribution. COVID deaths are a (quite significantlt) left-skewed distribution.
Between the beginning of January 2020 and October 19, 2022, of the 1,060,506 deaths caused by COVID-19 in the United States, around 278,536 had occurred among those aged 85 years and older.
Classic example: Pick a major financial metropolis and calculate mean and median incomes. The latter can be nearly double the former because outliers tug at the average. Not the same measure if you don’t have a normal distribution. COVID deaths are a (quite significantlt) left-skewed distribution.
1. The jab does not stop people from getting Covid or passing it on.
2. The jab has resulted in more reported serious injuries in less than 2 years than all the other vaccines for the past 30 plus years.
3. The current variant of Covid is far less harmful than the original and the original was not deadly either unless you were on death's doorstep already.
4. The jab approval process was a sham
Rojo and mods this kind of misinformation is deadly. Delete this immediately
But used for mandates to protect others…these criminals & Fauci need to go to prison. These were never vaccines, they were experiments. Since day one, I railed against masks and the "vaxx."
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To the extent possible, all students, faculty, and staff are expected to have their final dose of the COVID-19 vaccine by August 1, 2022. You can find a vaccination clinic near you and schedule an appointment through the CDC website.
