Official Russia vs Ukraine War Thread

One further point, a 118 page manuscript with comprehensive references is then the very definition of NOT propaganda. Which makes carmine’s comments even more asinine.

You are confused.

It is on the UK to provide evidence of their claims. Not on a letsrun commenter to prove it is a lie

Why was this completely factual post removed? Russia is known to have used butterfly mines in Afghanistan. Russia is also known to have committed war crimes in Ukraine. Man, snowflakes gonna snowflake.

I agree. The UK MoD should provide further evidence to support their allegations as it become available.

But, Ernest wrote:

(He then cites Western media reporting on it. lol!) But, if he's going to accuse Ukraine of deploying butterfly mines then the burden is on him to provide credible evidence to support his claim.

The German report that Russia isn’t using butterfly mines is from March. Now, recent reports state Russia is using Butterfly mines. Carmine9’s brain can’t cope with updated information it seems.

Reports of explosions at Novofedorivka Airbase in Crimea. Quite far from the frontlines, so could be Russian incompetence or an indication that Ukraine has received longer range ordinance. Either way, sucks to be Russian.

boom boom goes RU bases on Crimea

the significance of this is that RU used to think Crimea was safe land, not needed to be defended.

Now RU has yet another battlespace to defend, stretching RU defenses even thinner.

Will help UKR a lot. Bravo, UKR.

Anyone can assert anything, so it does not follow every view is valid or equally valid unless disproven.

Vice versa. No assertion is valid until reasonably supported by evidence and reason, out-competing alternative explanation.

The burden of proof for a claim the Russian side is using Butterfly mines in the Ukraine is on the claimant, e.g. the UK MoD. Or you if upholding the allegation. If such proof exists, why is it not presented?

While not conclusive unto itself, factoring motive and opportunity, it does seems more likely the Butterfly mines dropped on Donetsk were from the Ukraine side.

From Forbes; "Ukraine became a state party to the Mine Ban Treaty in 2006, but still has stockpiles of millions of butterfly mines..."

Is this link shared to provide new information? Or are you looking for a round of high-fives?

We can assume a lot of Ukrainians and Russians have been killed or injured.

But as the Pentagon provides no estimate of Ukraine casualties, it is clear they share the same propaganda agenda as the UDF in its reporting: Overstate Russian casualty counts and Suppress or Under-Report Ukraine losses.

While it seems fashionable to celebrate death and destruction, you might be reminded it's just that. You might be more at home on LiveLeak than Letsrun.

A likely explanation for the Crimean Airbase attack is the US and NATO are intervening even more directly.

The attacks on Novofedorivka suggest the US has now supplied long-range HIMARS, i.e.
ATACMS, and likely provided targeting intelligence and information.

The US had made provision of ATACMS contingent on not targeting inside Russia, but Crimea seems to have been agreed as fair game.

If so, this could point to a significant escalation in the conflict - which may have been intended.

Today, it was revealed that Canada (along with the UK and US) also has Commando "boots on the ground" inside the Ukraine conducting "training"... aka Covert Ops.

He did say perhaps. Hence his claim is true unless you can show for a fact that Ukraine did no such thing.

Put in has gotten his country into a quagmire and we all know how these things tend to end.

Perhaps you are a foreign asset.

Right.

My job is to post on Letsrun like many foreign assets are paid to do.

The reference to "alleged perpetrator" above is not mine, but notes Russian (and aligned media) reports of allegations that Butterfly mines dropped on Russian-held territory were from the Ukraine side.

As seen with furore over recent reports of Ukraine using schools and apartment buildings as operational bases, or revised reporting of widespread pilfering of Western-supplied weapons, it is not "good press" to present articles where the Ukraine side conducts wrongdoing.

This media bias seemed to explain why it is that thousands of butterfly mines peppering Russian-held Donetsk being is barely newsworthy in Western media, when earlier (March) and later (August) allegations of Russian use of butterfly mines were widely reported, despite no supportive facts being provided - neither basis for attributable use nor even existence of Butterfly mine deployment on Ukraine-held territory.

In a later post to that quoted above, I specifically state that based on available evidence, one can not conclusively state Butterfly mines dropped on Russian-held Donetsk were from being from the Ukraine side - but I did, quite reasonably, note it seems more likely than not based on motive (combatants tend to attack the other side and not their own) and opportunity (the Ukraine side has millions of butterfly mines).

This is not hard to follow.

"LOL!"

If you have basis for this allegation, aside from holding contrary views, as they say... "put up or shut up".

The area that was mined was a civilian region within Russian controlled territory of no special military value. Not clear how that fits into the "attack the other side" model.