gubner wrote:
2017 wrote:
I said it earlier in this thread. I am reasonably close to this situation but don’t want to get involved. Check the 2017 SF photos. Your smoking gun is in there (yes, I know Frank did not officially run it).
Is there are reason you can't just link to the photos you say are the smoking gun instead of telling others to sort through thousands of photos to find what you found?
Yes, because he/she is trolling.
Just ignore or trawl through all the pics if you want. wrote:
gubner wrote:
Is there are reason you can't just link to the photos you say are the smoking gun instead of telling others to sort through thousands of photos to find what you found?
Yes, because he/she is trolling.
Can we find out if FM was DQ for SF 2017?
2017 wrote:
I said it earlier in this thread. I am reasonably close to this situation but don’t want to get involved. Check the 2017 SF photos. Your smoking gun is in there (yes, I know Frank did not officially run it).
Here's a suggestion - post a link to the photos using a new, random handle whilst using a VPN and claim to have found them after seeing the tip-off on here and searching.
This way Frank will never suspect that his butler grassed him up.
Am I the only one messing up my 2 nights before sleep for my 4th of July 10k? FN FM
2017 wrote:
I said it earlier in this thread. I am reasonably close to this situation but don’t want to get involved. Check the 2017 SF photos. Your smoking gun is in there (yes, I know Frank did not officially run it).
Troll rating: 3/10
If 2017 was not trolling and really did have anything to contribute, he or she could very easily anonymously email Derek from marathoninvestigation
Again, 3/10
Roderick Powell wrote:
For some good laughs read some off the almost 1,000 reactions to the FM story on yahoo..
I learned a lot from those comments. I learned that FM cheating is proof that Trump sucks, that liberals suck, that Hispanics suck, and that Californians suck.
That is most certainly Frank on a bike: other clues.
1. No helmet. A Bike rider would probably be wearing a helmet. Guy intent on cheating at a marathon wouldn't.
2. Both the biker and Frank are wearing their watches on their right wrists. In my experience, most people wear watches on their left wrist. It would be a fairly big coincidence for a random dude riding along the bike bath, wearing no helmet, dressed similarly to Frank, to also be wearing a watch on his right wrist, just like Frank.
3. Something black is wadded up on his handlebars. Are those his shorts? Is he ducking into a porto potty to shed his pants and change? It would help with the cheating. Duck into the john as a bike rider, emerge as a runner (a la Clark Kent/Superman). No passing runner would be the wiser. You can't just shed those pants at the side of the course. That would be mighty funny, considering how difficult he finds it to find a port o john when he needs to pee during his "races."
The verdict has been rendered, time to back off wrote:
At what point does obvious mental illness play into when the dogs are called off?
Ego could explain one or two or three of these. But scores of races over 10 years screams something is seriously wrong with this guy.
Readers take notice. Most of the posters here are male. Look at what happens to men as they age. Men tend to pick up some extremely bizarre and excessive habits.
My elderly neighbor mows his very large lawn all day, every single day. In the rain. In the very hot sun. His lawn is fried, but he still continues to mow it every single day. The old guy next to him washes and polishes his car every single day. Both of the old guys literally washes his driveway every Friday, and each has their driveway blacktopped every year. Both driveways are so sleek and slippery that they're arguably unsafe when wet.
Old guys become weird as hell.
Told my wife to come down hard on me if I pick up an bizarre excessive habits as I age.
Clearly he wanted Aztlan Running to become Aztlan Cycling.
Ill Mitch wrote:
Told my wife to come down hard on me if I pick up an bizarre excessive habits as I age.
My wife coming down hard on me is the excessive habit I've picked up as I aged.
ExpertKipWatcher wrote:
RossiCheated wrote:
Any chance that this is a post we shouldn’t be breezing past?
Yes, we should go past that at the same speed Frank was on the bike - why oh why are people so desperate for there to have been accomplices that random bystanders are automatically part of the story?
I’m not desperate for there to be an accomplice. I’m just smart enough to know that proof of one thing does not eliminate other possibilities. He cheated for a decade. He cheated in relays. He cheated with friends in the races. He cheated with his son in the race. He cheated bike-friendly and non-friendly courses.
To think that a photo of him on a bike (great find!) eliminates the possibility of accomplices or enablers takes a special kind of stupid. No offense.
For the past maybe 2 years, I'll occasionally see someone pop into a thread when Derek and cheaters come up and say that they've been cheating in marathons for years and challenge Derek to find them. I've wondered over the last few weeks if that person was Frankie.
RossiCheated wrote:
To think that a photo of him on a bike (great find!) eliminates the possibility of accomplices or enablers takes a special kind of stupid. No offense.
I don't think that photo eliminates it, I think basic common sense makes it unlikely, but what is stupid is saying "Hey there are people in the background, are they accomplices?" (no offence).
gubner wrote:
2017 wrote:
I said it earlier in this thread. I am reasonably close to this situation but don’t want to get involved. Check the 2017 SF photos. Your smoking gun is in there (yes, I know Frank did not officially run it).
Is there are reason you can't just link to the photos you say are the smoking gun instead of telling others to sort through thousands of photos to find what you found?
Or email me.
I’ll indulge the poster.
He was not in the SF results for 2017. Possible he was quickly disqualified. Although if he was registered, I’d expect him to be in The Marathonfoto listing even with no photos. Although, theycould have had him removed.
you mean photo 281164497 from marathonfoto.com?
type in for runner bib 1107. photo 41/41.
frank standing there next to the course and playing with his smartphone, i guess.
RossiCheated wrote:
I’m not desperate for there to be an accomplice. I’m just smart enough to know that proof of one thing does not eliminate other possibilities. He cheated for a decade. He cheated in relays. He cheated with friends in the races. He cheated with his son in the race. He cheated bike-friendly and non-friendly courses.
To think that a photo of him on a bike (great find!) eliminates the possibility of accomplices or enablers takes a special kind of stupid. No offense.
Do you have any experience on a bicycle? It would be incredibly easy to achieve these cheating feat on bike. The guy has an athletic background (allegedly -- has his athletic background actually been established?). I've had very out-of-shape friends that would be unable to run one mile ride alongside me during long runs without any issues or real exertion. I've also biked courses to cheer people on. There's a ton of time to kill between points. You're riding nearly twice as fast as the runner with 1/10th the exertion.
Try a duathlon workout. You'll be amazed at how much distance you're able to cover running and riding a bicycle, including the back tracking.
The bicycle also completely eliminates traffic and parking issues (unexpected roadblocks, traffic jams, no available parking), which could seriously f-up the best organized cheating plans.
The accomplice theory in the number of races you're talking about is deep throat JFK assassination crazy talk. Might as well attribute his feats of cheating to aliens.
For a thread of this gravity, please correct the thread title spelling; "official time" and not "offical time".
laffing wrote:
Roderick Powell wrote:
For some good laughs read some off the almost 1,000 reactions to the FM story on yahoo..
I learned a lot from those comments. I learned that FM cheating is proof that Trump sucks, that liberals suck, that Hispanics suck, and that Californians suck.
Did anyone suggest "milkshaking" him his next race?
2017 reloaded. got it? wrote:
you mean photo 281164497 from marathonfoto.com?
type in for runner bib 1107. photo 41/41.
frank standing there next to the course and playing with his smartphone, i guess.
actually the la marathon 2017.
We’re going to disagree on what is common sense.
Again, he cheated for a decade, on relays, with friends in the races, etc.
Common sense says:
People knew. For sure. They were accomplices or enablers but people definitely knew. And there could be reasons he received such vociferous support from a few people who he coached with.
Or...
He was so good at this and at faking his running ability even as he was coaching a very good HS team that nobody knew.
I’ll go with the former.
Also, I’m not the one suggesting one of those other three people is an accomplice. Another poster stated that as fact. I’m asking if we should blow past that.
I’ll ask you this: If a photo later emerges of a man in a black coat holding that bike along the course or posing with Frank at the finish, would you be surprised? I’m not expecting it but I wouldn’t be surprised.
If we want to eliminate an accomplice theory, feel free to share with us who SMU Guy is, who ran along with Frank (without a bib) and posed with him after a race.