Official William Goodge TransAus World Record Thread, Perth to Sydney, 35 days, 68.5 miles a day

Accepted verification standards are running actual races. There are plenty of 6 day races around now. Of course we will never see Goodge doing one because he would fail big time.

Yes. Will Cockerell would refer to this as 26 pages of filth

I'm old enough to remember the true meaning of the phrase "begging the question" and this is a great example of it. You beg (or beggar) the question when, in an argument, you simply assume an answer to thing being argued about. In this case, you're assuming that what Goodge is doing is legit when whether or not he's legit is the thing being argued about!

So, yeah, IF he were legit, everything you're saying about people ignoring or not understanding his unique athletic greatness would be true. But the only evidence of his alleged greatness is the data he's posting, the legitimacy of which is the thing we're arguing about!

But also, wasn't Goodge himself the one who said records need additional verification, additional presumably meaning beyond just posting on Strava and getting the Guinness people to sign off?

If this is what he calls 26 pages of filth he's obviously never seen the magazines under my bed.

...and the fact that he's not a very good runner.

Whoosh! You've completely missed the point of my post, clearly. It doesn't matter what the claim is - it matters that adequate proof is provided (as has been stated about a thousand times now)

There’s a difference between your example which is impossible and what Will is doing in Aus which I believe is possible.

As in people can run multiple 110k days in a row, the number of people who can do that is pretty low but it can be done. The example you used is physically impossible you numpty.

So you've literally just missed the same point again? Am I talking to a turnip?

lf I change the example to "I've just beaten the 100m world record on the road outside my house" does that help your understanding of the point?

It's not about whether it's humanly possible or not. It's about the evidence needed to prove it. If a Strava activity and a few witness statements from my mates is all you require then I've got some good news - you're speaking to the new 100m world record holder. Congratulate me please.

His Dad said on film that he would if he was paid. No doubt he'll demand a 6 figure sum.

He's taken around 9 extended breaks today with less than a minute of elapsed time. Can anyone explain how he can still produce a 170 cadence continuously even whilst taking a 10-15 minute break?

He is either using a machine or manually altering the data. Somebody, anybody, please go out there for a few days and make him run at this rate for this distance. Or even one or two hours at this rate and this heart rate. Nobody on earth can run in these conditions, in this way, with this heart rate.

Would be useful if the smarmy Goodge fan boy who claims to download the Strava data would elaborate on how to do this. Downloading the Strava data doesn't show a great deal when I've tried.

the situation as I see it.

- the data is bad. whether this is tech fail or obfuscation doesn’t matter, it’s bad data and bad data is useless.
- there is nothing in his racing history that suggests Goodge is capable of what he does on these solo, unsupervised runs.
- he shows little to no sign of the wear and tear or accumulative fatigue associated with running 100k+ days.
- in more than 80 days across 2 continents no one has ever seen him cheat.

until either side can provide conclusive evidence to support their POV then this circular argument will continue.
have fun.

And for those of us with the POV that "he's not providing enough evidence to prove his claims," what conclusive evidence would you like us to provide?

so don’t believe him. that’s fine, nobody is forcing you to.
but there are many who are satisfied that he is providing enough evidence (which seems to be the problem here).
if you expect to change their minds then you need to catch him in the act of cheating. merely debating the validity of his claims will get you nowhere, as countless pages of back and forth on LetsRun and elsewhere have demonstrated.

Cheating is cheating and is forever.

Not getting caught is temporary.

Or so we would like to think.

Lance thought he was uncatchable, he never tested positive and was an arrogant pr!ck the entire time. I see flashes of that in Goodge.

I want to see a video of him running for two hours at 8 min kilometers with a heart rate displayed of ~100.

I think you're failing to understand that, for events like these, the only way in which they are real to anyone not actually on site the entire time is via the posted data. As "spectators" this is ALL we see. Even if we show up in person for a few hours, we are only seeing a tiny sliver of the whole enterprise. Contrast this with just about any other sporting endeavor. Even in marathon running it is possible to witness the entirety of the running via life stream, and even when following remotely via the mid-race data, we can trust that the athlete we're watching is being observed by 10s of thousands of disinterested observers the whole time (this is for elites and potential record-breakers, obviously).

So if the data are "bad", as you freely admit, then, from the point of view of the viewing public, this event is not happening, and will not not have happened, as long as the data are not real. It is null and void as a sporting endeavor. We can leave it to the people who are fine with the appearance of a sporting event to continue getting off on Goodge and Co's schtick, but everyone who cares about ultra running as a sport should, with one voice, be calling this sh*t out for what it is.