George Floyd / Chauvin trial starts monday

lZimmerman was a wannabe cop who couldn't make the grade and who was specifically told by the cops he called that night not to follow TM. He ignored those instructions and killed a teenager who was minding his own business as he returned home from a trip to the corner store. GZ's racist nature led him to suspect the worst of TM and to murder him in cold blood. You should go run some hills now to get out the GZ-like prejudice you hold against a young man who was murdered by someone who has gone on to reveal his true nature again and again and again. No doubt about what kind of despicable person he is. TM, on the other hand, was murdered as. a teen and never had the chance to learn from whatever mistakes he may have made in his short lifetime. I guess where you come from, teenagers all lead squeaky-clean lives.

Well, where I come from teenagers don't peer into windows and steal from homeowners and pick fights with adults.

Not sure why the truth in these situations is so hard for people to deal with?

hooded hero,

I shared some of the evidence from the trial because people like you have no interest in the facts of any case. you made up your mind about George Zimmerman as soon as you heard he shot a black male.

George Zimmerman was not specifically told not to follow Trayvon Martin. That lie was repeated many thousands of times online by supporters of Martin. The 911 transcript is available and I can share it with you. It clearly won't change your mind. 911 operators are not police officers. They share information with callers in hopes of preventing the caller from being hurt. The 911 operator stated; we don't need you to do that, meaning keep following Martin and providing responding officers a location and direction of travel. You or I or any citizen has the right to follow anyone we feel is acting suspiciously. 911 operators cannot tell citizens to follow a suspect and provide more accurate direction of travel to responding officers because of the liability should that citizen be injured while following the suspect. So you got it wrong. You misunderstood what the 911 operator said and you assumed they were sworn police officers giving lawful commands. Perhaps you were too busy focusing on the race of the two people involved and how many times you planned to call people racists who tried to explain the facts of the case to you.

Trayvon Martin was not shot while he was returning from the store he had purchased ingredients to get wasted on. He had already made it back to the home he was staying at, where he had abandoned a small. child he was suppose to be watching. His female friend he was talking to on his cell phone testified to this. Trayvon left that home a second time to stalk Zimmerman and assault him from behind, punching him in the face and breaking his nose and knocking him to the ground. Zimmerman never fought back and was getting his skull smashed down onto the concrete sidewalk several times before he managed to pull his handgun out of his pocket and shoot the person who was trying to kill him.

Trayvon's father was a former convict and in hind site, both he and Trayvon's mother went from having a criminal gangster wanna be son who they would spend the rest of their lives bailing out of jail or visiting in prison, to making money off of trade-marking the name Trayvon Martin.

You keep pretending there was never a trial and the facts of the case are somehow a mystery that you will never ever know. It allows to you keep believing Trayvon was a good person and the man who defended himself from a vicious attack was the bad guy.

About that running suggestion. Do you have the slightest interest in running or stories about runners, or have you been banned from every online web site that deals with angry people who make claims of racism on every comment they make?

Call #1: George Zimmerman calls to report a suspicious character

Zimmerman: Hey, we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy-- it's Retreat View Circle. The best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.

Sanford PD Dispatcher (Sean Noffke): Okay, and this guy is he White, Black, or Hispanic?

Zimmerman: He looks Black.

Dispatcher: Did you see what he was wearing?

Zimmerman: Yeah. A dark hoodie, like a grey hoodie, and either jeans or sweatpants and white tennis shoes. He's [unintelligible] he was just staring...

Dispatcher: Okay, he's just walking around the area...

Zimmerman: ...looking at all the houses.

Dispatcher: Okay.

Zimmerman: Now he's just staring at me.

Dispatcher: Okay--you said it's 1111 Retreat View? Or 111?

Zimmerman: That's the clubhouse...

Dispatcher: That's the clubhouse, do you know what the-- he's near the clubhouse right now?

Zimmerman: Yeah, now he's coming towards me.

Dispatcher: Okay.

Zimmerman: He's got his hand in his waistband. And he's a black male.

Dispatcher: How old would you say he looks?

Zimmerman: He's got button on his shirt, late teens.

Dispatcher: Late teens, ok.

Zimmerman: Something's wrong with him. Yup, he's coming to check me out, he's got something in his hands, I don't know what his deal is.

Dispatcher: Just let me know if he does anything, okay?

Zimmerman: How long until you get an officer over here?

Dispatcher: Yeah, we've got someone on the way, just let me know if this guy does anything else.

Zimmerman: Okay. These a**holes they always get away. When you come to the clubhouse, you come straight in, and make a left. Actually, you would go past the clubhouse.

Dispatcher: So, it's on the left-hand side from the clubhouse?

Zimmerman: No, you go in, straight through the entrance, and then you make a left-- you go straight in, don't turn, and make a left. S**t, he's running.

Dispatcher: He's running? Which way is he running?

Zimmerman: Down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood.

Dispatcher: Which entrance is that that he's heading towards?

Zimmerman: The back entrance... F***ing punks. These a**holes, they always get away...

Dispatcher: Are you following him?

Zimmerman: Yeah.

Dispatcher: Okay, we don't need you to do that.

Zimmerman: Okay.

Dispatcher: Alright, sir, what is your name?

Zimmerman: George. He ran.

Dispatcher: All right, George. What's your last name?

Zimmerman: Zimmerman.

Dispatcher: And George what's the phone number you're calling from?

Zimmerman: [redacted]

Dispatcher: All right, George. We do have them on the way. Do you want to meet with the officer when they get out there?

Zimmerman: Yeah.

Dispatcher: All right, where you going to meet with them at?

Zimmerman: If they come in through the gate, tell them to go straight past the clubhouse. And uh, straight past the clubhouse, and make a left. And then they go past the mailboxes, that's my truck... [unintelligible]

Dispatcher: What address are you parked in front of?

Zimmerman: I don't know. It's a cut through, so I don't know the address.

Dispatcher: Okay, do you live in the area?

Zimmerman: Yeah, I... [unintelligible]

Dispatcher: What's your apartment number?

Zimmerman: It's a home. It's 1950-- Oh, crap. I don't want to give it all out, I don't know where this kid is.

Dispatcher: Okay, do you want to just meet with them right near the mailboxes then?

Zimmerman: Yeah, that's fine.

Dispatcher: All right, George. I'll let them know to meet you around there okay?

Zimmerman: Actually could you have them call me and I'll tell them where I'm at?

Dispatcher: Okay, yeah, that's no problem.

Zimmerman: Should I give you my number or you got it?

Dispatcher: Yeah, I got it. [redacted]?

Zimmerman: Yeah, you got it.

Dispatcher: Okay, no problem, I'll let them know to call you when you're in the area.

Zimmerman: Thanks.

Dispatcher: You're welcome.

Could you point me to your own notable commentary on the running threads here? Because I’m unfamiliar with them.

Burning Bush wrote:

Armstrong, these are my PR's. Nothing special, but I did run a 1:54.9 half mile at the age of 15.

PR's in yards, not meters...

10.1 - 21.9 - 48.8 - 1:51.1 - 4:18 (mile) - 10:02 (2-mile) - 35:24 (10k) - 1:19 (half marathon) - 2:54 (marathon)

Your 220 seems to be a fair bit better than your 440 and 880. Did you specialise at 880, then sprints when you were a bit older, then take up road running after that?

Bidenist,

I only ran one 100 and one 220 in high school. The 100 was at a meet I ran a 1:55 half mile and afterwords some 100 yard runners from a rival school were mocking me and calling me a peckerwood, so I asked my coach to enter me in the 100 yard race and I won it, beating all of them. The 220 PR was on a very cold midwestern day. I recall the starter saying it was; colder than a well-diggers kneecaps. But it was also windy, real windy. Maybe 25-30mph tail winds. It was also the only track I ever saw with a straight away 220. So the 21.9 time is somewhat meaningless. The only other 220 I ever ran in competition was a leg of the 4x220 relay at the state track meet. We tied for first with a 1:30.2 time. I have no idea what my split was, maybe low 22's.

I was a half miler who ran quarter miles. I was second at state in the 880 when I was a 15-year-old sophomore. The winning time was 1:53.0. My junior year our team won the state track meet. I was upset in the 880, finishing second. I then came back to win the 440 and anchor the mile relay to a school record that still stands after 44 years. Our coach asked me if I had recovered well enough to run a leg on the 4x220 relay 45 minutes later and I said I'd run. We won the slow heat with a time that stood up to tie for first place. My senior year all the good runners graduated and I played around trying to run the 440, 880, and mile at the state meet. It was a difficult triple with the 440 following the mile. I won the 880 and mile and finished 4th in the 440 in 50.4 after running 48.9 in the prelims.

I dropped out of college before competing. Six years later I got in shape and ran in all-comers track meets. My first 800 was 1:51.1. The second place runner was 2:14. I ran six 800's that summer, all under 1:53, plus a PR in the mile at 4:18, and a PR in the 400 at 48.8. A week after my 400 PR, I ran a marathon in 3:14. A week later I PR'd in the 2 mile with a 10:02. There was a half marathon I ran in that was routed through the neighborhood I grew up in and did most of my road miles in, so I entered and got 4th at 1:19. I worked as a police officer back then and we entered a team in the city corporate cup 10k, where I PR'd in 35:24. A year earlier I entered the inaugural race up the stairwell of the tallest building in the city, with 54 flights of stairs. It took me a little over 3 minutes and that time was never bettered.

After moving to Sacramento in my mid-20's, I entered the California Marathon and was running along at 6:20 mile pace through the 20 mile mark before I decided to drop out because of pain in my left knee that I had surgery on just months before. I felt ready to run a 2:45.

I raced at the junior olympic nationals in Ithaca, New York many years back as a 16-year old and got crushed by a 45 second 400 meter runner from Ohio. The following year I was the fastest 800 meter qualifier at the Junior Olympics National meet in Nashville, but I had met a cute swimmer from California at JO's the year before and skipped Nationals to go visit her before heading off to college at Colorado.

I also had the distinction of running down 25 perps as a police officer working the midnight to 8am shift in the ghetto. Two others got away from me, mostly because I got hung up on a chainlink fence and then got clotheslined in another foot pursuit. That was more foot pursuit apprehensions than all the other 600 officers on the force combined. Thanks for letting me share.

seems clear to me.

Isnt GZ now suing the poeple involved for fraudulent acusations, eg the person he was on the phone to is actually someone else?

To be fair, some of GZ's latest actions seem distasteful, but that could have nothing to do with what happened in the past at that time.

Did Muldoon and Burning Bush scare off Armstonglivs?

...and if so, does that entitle me to any free running schwag? Maybe Hoka Carbons in a 12.5.

i guess he's had the ban hammer for something.

This is ging to be a serious problem;

The judge handed the defense a victory by ruling that the jury can hear evidence from Floyd’s 2019 arrest, but only information possibly pertaining to the cause of his death in 2020. He acknowledged several similarities between the two encounters, including that Floyd swallowed drugs after police confronted him.

The judge previously said the earlier arrest could not be admitted, but he reconsidered after drugs were found in January in a second search of the police SUV that the four officers attempted to put Floyd in last year. The defense argues that Floyd’s drug use contributed to his death.

Cahill said he'd allow medical evidence of Floyd's physical reactions, such as his dangerously high blood pressure when he was examined by a paramedic in 2019, and a short clip of an officer’s body camera video. He said Floyd’s “emotional behavior,” such as calling out to his mother, won’t be admitted.

But Cahill said he doesn’t plan to allow the testimony of a forensic psychiatrist for the prosecution. Floyd said he had claustrophobia and resisted getting into the squad car before the fatal encounter last year, and the state wanted Dr. Sarah Vinson to testify that his actions were consistent with a normal person experiencing severe stress, as opposed to faking or resisting arrest.

surveysays wrote:

Could you point me to your own notable commentary on the running threads here? Because I’m unfamiliar with them.

Interesting to gloss over this hypocrisy.

Burning Bush wrote:

...and if so, does that entitle me to any free running schwag? Maybe Hoka Carbons in a 12.5.

I would buy you a Lets Run Singlet!

pupil3142 wrote:

i guess he's had the ban hammer for something.

Racism?

Hate crimes?

Not all areas are the same wrote:

Burning Bush wrote:

...and if so, does that entitle me to any free running schwag? Maybe Hoka Carbons in a 12.5.

I would buy you a Lets Run Singlet!

I wouldn’t wear a let’s run shirt because of all the racism/white-pride/stormfront conspiracy theory stuff that gets promoted here.

govlie1 wrote:

Not all areas are the same wrote:

I would buy you a Lets Run Singlet!

I wouldn’t wear a let’s run shirt because of all the racism/white-pride/stormfront conspiracy theory stuff that gets promoted here.

You must not wear any clothes than, or does slave labor, horrible working conditions, etc. mean less to you than what a few of us whackos say on a running website?

Outstanding post. I admit that I've let my emotions cloud my judgement on several stories over the past few years, only to be proven wrong because I was unwilling to study data. It's hard to let go of bias and I constantly struggle with it.

Not all areas are the same wrote:

govlie1 wrote:

I wouldn’t wear a let’s run shirt because of all the racism/white-pride/stormfront conspiracy theory stuff that gets promoted here.

You must not wear any clothes than, or does slave labor, horrible working conditions, etc. mean less to you than what a few of us whackos say on a running website?

You missed the point by a lot.

If I see someone wearing a nike shirt - I don’t assume they support child slavery.

If I see someone wearing a LRC shirt - I would assume they call black people “thugs” and have weirdly strong opinions about the LGBTQ community and hate wearing masks.