This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
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Newly published official statistics from the European Union show a staggering 755% spike in excess child deaths this year.
The soaring deaths are revealed in the latest figures from the EU agency that compiles the mortality statistics, EuroMOMO.
When compared to previous years, the data shows an alarming increase in mortality rates among children from 2021 onward.
U.K.-based investigative site The Exposé is reporting that the sharp increase started after the EU approved COVID-19 vaccines for younger age groups.14 -
Covidiocy wrote:
9:56 to 18:58… do we really know what the fukk we are doing? Jesus.
For all of you considering getting the bivalent “booster “ please watch this. Remember, Dr Z and Offit were major vax pushers, although they weren’t Branch Covidians denying natural immunity. Dr Z always advocated one jab after natural infection, but I think he’s backed away from that stance with a degree of warranted cynicism.
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"Traces" of mRNA vaccine found in breast milk up to 48 hours after vaccination, according to JAMA study. I thought the vaccine was not supposed to leave the immediate vaccine site.
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Alex Jones Was Right wrote:
There is mRNA in everything you eat. It does not survive the digestive tract. The amount of mRNA they found in a few mothers in their sample was... equivalent to about a drop of water in a swimming pool.
Sensitive techniques are sensitive! Scientifically illiterate grifters will grift. Gullible poasters will post fervently. The cycle continues.
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fisky wrote:
"Traces" of mRNA vaccine found in breast milk up to 48 hours after vaccination, according to JAMA study. I thought the vaccine was not supposed to leave the immediate vaccine site.
Far less material found here than, say, the research that discovered COVID in the testes of infected men. Yet that is not cause for alarm, apparently?
There is mRNA in everything you eat. It doesn't survive the digestive tract.
Sensitive techniques can detect tiny amounts of material. This remains true.
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Covidiocy wrote:
Covidiocy wrote:
9:56 to 18:58… do we really know what the fukk we are doing? Jesus.
For all of you considering getting the bivalent “booster “ please watch this. Remember, Dr Z and Offit were major vax pushers, although they weren’t Branch Covidians denying natural immunity. Dr Z always advocated one jab after natural infection, but I think he’s backed away from that stance with a degree of warranted cynicism.
I can't believe you are here posting about natural immunity after you literally posted yesterday about your 'wifes friend' who got COVID multiple times in a row. You appear to have written yourself into a corner -- perhaps you and GRRM could get together about discuss untangling plots in fantasy writing.
FWIW I actually agree with you that the 3-shot vaccines worked so well that a bivalent booster is not really necessary in healthy, low-risk individuals. Glad we have reached agreement on that. Good to see you come around to the side of evidence and reason.
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fisky wrote:
"Traces" of mRNA vaccine found in breast milk up to 48 hours after vaccination, according to JAMA study. I thought the vaccine was not supposed to leave the immediate vaccine site.
What? The original papers showed tissue distribution. Fisky man you gotta stop. You’re looking for conspiracies.
In this paper they use RT-qPCR which is an extremely sensitive method for detecting RNA. Labs have had blood vials break in a centrifuge and coffee cups 4 rooms away have tested positive via qPCR for viruses in the blood.
They even state: The vaccine detection limit was 1 pg/mL of EBM. Remember, a vaccine contains 10-30 micrograms of mRNA so this study detects a positive if 1/10,000,000th of the mRNA in the vaccine makes it into a mL of breast milk.25 -
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About 40,000 Americans died of Covid this summer. That toll means that Covid is continuing to kill many more people each day than vehicle crashes, gun violence, the flu or many other health threats.
The situation is especially tragic because most of these Covid deaths could have been prevented — if only more Americans had received vaccine shots, including booster shots for older people and others with vulnerable health.
The main reason so many Americans are still dying from Covid is that vaccination and booster rates are not higher. Only about half of adults have received a booster shot, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation’s most recent poll. More than 20 percent have not received any vaccine shot.
The most effective way to reduce Covid deaths, however, does not involve boosters. It involves persuading more unvaccinated Americans to get their first shot. Their risks are far higher than the risks facing the unboosted. Unfortunately, public health officials acknowledge that they don’t know how to increase that number very much. About four-fifths of the unvaccinated — a group that is disproportionately Republican — say they will “definitely not” get a shot, according to Kaiser.
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DanM wrote:
Conclusion: There is a strong scientific, ethical and moral case to be made that the current COVID vaccine administration must stop until all the raw data has been subjected to fully independent scrutiny. Looking to the future the medical and public health professions must recognise these failings and eschew the tainted dollar of the medical-industrial complex. It will take a lot of time and effort to rebuild trust in these institutions, but the health – of both humanity and the medical profession – depends on it.
The irony is, the author of that article wrote a book in 2020 that claimed “that following his dietary advice could grant "metabolic optimization" which would, in 21 days, decrease the risk of viral infection.” His advice was, of course, not supported by any scientific studies.
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Did they die with Covid or from Covid? What percentage was vaccinated vs unvaccinated?
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Alex Jones Was Right wrote:
I agree! Also those behind school vaccine mandates that have been around since the 60s! and the vaccine requirements for entry to US on non-tourist Visas...! great idea!
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2600 bro wrote:
I agree! Also those behind school vaccine mandates that have been around since the 60s! and the vaccine requirements for entry to US on non-tourist Visas...! great idea!
You mean the school mandates that were easily avoided with religious exemptions? Compared to unavoidable mandates linked to employment?
Oh, and like the people who push "vaccine" mandates on citizens care ever cared about the requirements for legal entry to the USA, when the border is wide open and the illegals come by the millions, not only unvaxxed, but carrying all sorts of diseases. Utter hypocrites.
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Tom Woods talks with Dr. Pierre Kory, president of the Frontline COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance.
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2600 bro wrote:
fisky wrote:
"Traces" of mRNA vaccine found in breast milk up to 48 hours after vaccination, according to JAMA study. I thought the vaccine was not supposed to leave the immediate vaccine site.
What? The original papers showed tissue distribution. Fisky man you gotta stop. You’re looking for conspiracies.
In this paper they use RT-qPCR which is an extremely sensitive method for detecting RNA. Labs have had blood vials break in a centrifuge and coffee cups 4 rooms away have tested positive via qPCR for viruses in the blood.
They even state: The vaccine detection limit was 1 pg/mL of EBM. Remember, a vaccine contains 10-30 micrograms of mRNA so this study detects a positive if 1/10,000,000th of the mRNA in the vaccine makes it into a mL of breast milk.
But if you test for something that shouldn't be there at all AND you find a tiny amount, isn't that a point of concern? Shouldn't the level be 0 pg/ml? Is the vaccine just floating around in the air? How did it get into a milk sample? Why does it disappear after 48 hours? Look at this time line.
Day T0: mRNA not there
T1: mRNA detected
T2: mRNA detected
T3 and beyond: mRNA not detected.
I don't think the contamination hypothesis holds water... or in this case, milk. :)
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fisky wrote:
But if you test for something that shouldn't be there at all AND you find a tiny amount, isn't that a point of concern? Shouldn't the level be 0 pg/ml? Is the vaccine just floating around in the air? How did it get into a milk sample? Why does it disappear after 48 hours? Look at this time line.
Day T0: mRNA not there
T1: mRNA detected
T2: mRNA detected
T3 and beyond: mRNA not detected.
I don't think the contamination hypothesis holds water... or in this case, milk. :)
Let me add that I'm not arguing that I'm right and you're wrong. I'm not a scientist... and we don't know that this represents a danger. I just don't understand how mRNA that we're told does not leave the vicinity of the injection site could get into breast milk.
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Questionable2 wrote:
About 40,000 Americans died of Covid this summer. That toll means that Covid is continuing to kill many more people each day than vehicle crashes, gun violence, the flu or many other health threats.
The situation is especially tragic because most of these Covid deaths could have been prevented — if only more Americans had received vaccine shots, including booster shots for older people and others with vulnerable health.
The main reason so many Americans are still dying from Covid is that vaccination and booster rates are not higher. Only about half of adults have received a booster shot, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation’s most recent poll. More than 20 percent have not received any vaccine shot.
The most effective way to reduce Covid deaths, however, does not involve boosters. It involves persuading more unvaccinated Americans to get their first shot. Their risks are far higher than the risks facing the unboosted. Unfortunately, public health officials acknowledge that they don’t know how to increase that number very much. About four-fifths of the unvaccinated — a group that is disproportionately Republican — say they will “definitely not” get a shot, according to Kaiser.
I've looked at this data. I don't think it's being interpreted correctly.
As best that I can tell from the CDC Covid Tracker, about 80-90% of these 40,000 deaths occurred in the 65+ cohort. The 65+ cohort is at least 95% vaccinated. (The CDC caps the top at 95% so it could be 97-98%.) A lot of these 65+ seniors are in such poor health that they can't survive a covid infection whether they are vaxxed or not.
I guess what I'm saying is that the push to get vaccinated isn't going to affect deaths very much because 90% of deaths are in seniors... 95% or more who are already vaccinated.
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