The Vaccine does not help with covid at all. That we clearly know. It does for sure however kill many thousands of people!! Now if you watch CNN all day you would not know this. Pretty hard to look at the clear data out there. The SHEEP are STRONG! Sad
This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
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2600 bro wrote:
Monkeys Skyping wrote:
Excellent visualization.
Funny… you can provide actual data and some people just flail and plug their ears.
Funny… you can provide actual data and some people just flail and plug their ears.
"Therefore, currently reported COVID-19 deaths are an overestimate. When community COVID-19 positivity increases, deaths increase even if new infections are no longer likely to cause those deaths. By routinely testing every newly hospitalized patient without changing how we count COVID-19 deaths, we will never see a reduction in the number of COVID-19 deaths below the expected proportion based on community positivity."
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Banality in a Thread wrote:
Harambe wrote:
This is likely true. There are several big Trumper + COVID deniers who have disappeared from this very board during large COVID waves.
Allen53, YMMV, The Unkle. All gone.Typical nonsensical gibberish from American left wing loonies. The vast majority of “covid-deniers” are above average intelligence and successful enough in life to know there is nothing to be gained from arguing with programmed NPCs parroting Fauci / Gates lies. They have simply figured out how to fake “vaccination” to carry on without the temporary inconvenience of government mandated craziness.
A couple simple rules that wealthy conservatives know: never share personal details with left wing loonies and don’t make the left wing loonies angry. Please don’t make me explain these to you.
Use a tax haven? You’ll never know. Hold a 2nd or 3rd passport? You’ll never know. Think being gender fluid is mental illness? You’ll never know. Have a fake vaccination card? I think even you get the idea.
Die of COVID b/c you're moronically antivaxx? I'll never know.
I think I get the idea lol.
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Monkeys Skyping wrote:
Update to percent of deaths in age group attributed to Covid-19 figure:
Notably, deaths in the Delta variant wave circa August-November 2021 disproportionately affected younger age groups because of lower vaccination levels within those age groups. The Covid Delta wave was dominated, beyond any reasonable doubt, by the unvaccinated.
Great graphs.
Who's gonna say it?
OK I will: "Pandemic of the Unvaccinated: CONFIRMED"
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fisky wrote:
Dr Paul Offit, triple vaxxed vaccine expert who sits on the FDA's 21-person vaccine advisory committee, says we should not be advising people to get the new booster because it hasn't been tested on humans. He adds the FDA is NOT consulting with its advisory committe before making this decision.
This isn't some flake non-MD on some TinFoilHat Network. This interview was on NBC with a doctor they referred to as "a renowned vaccine expert!"
I see the logic here. 3x doses of the original mRNA vax does an outstanding job at preventing severe disease. All intelligent Americans are already protected in this way.
The marginal benefit of an updated booster is not clear absent data from clinical trials. I think it is totally fine to be skeptical of new therapies that have not gone through any clinical trials in humans.
For plenty of people an updated booster makes tons sense: immunocompromised, high risk, etc. But absent data showing clear benefits over 3x vax I am not really convinced that widespread administration will change the shape of the pandemic that much. Happy to hear arguments otherwise.
Note that none of these arguments apply to the original vaccine series. We had outstanding clinical safety and efficacy data for 2x and 3x doses before the EUA for either.
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Commonsense folk wrote:
The Vaccine does not help with covid at all. That we clearly know. It does for sure however kill many thousands of people!! Now if you watch CNN all day you would not know this. Pretty hard to look at the clear data out there. The SHEEP are STRONG! Sad
Just got my Omicron booster, mmmm delicious boosters! Boosted my immunity, and also boosted the already yawning iq differential between sane people everywhere and "big brain" antivaxxers
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DanM wrote:
2600 bro wrote:
Excellent visualization.
Funny… you can provide actual data and some people just flail and plug their ears.
Funny… you can provide actual data and some people just flail and plug their ears.
"Therefore, currently reported COVID-19 deaths are an overestimate. When community COVID-19 positivity increases, deaths increase even if new infections are no longer likely to cause those deaths. By routinely testing every newly hospitalized patient without changing how we count COVID-19 deaths, we will never see a reduction in the number of COVID-19 deaths below the expected proportion based on community positivity."
ok first of all.
that article is embarrassing for the authors.They didn’t realize there is reporting lag in deaths. LA county now reports 13 or 14 (hard to read) people died on average the week leading up to August 19th. Not 7 as the authors had claimed.
The CDC and NYT still report 12 deaths average.
If you look at the Internet Archive (linked at bottom) you can see that when the article was published the graph did claim 7 deaths on avg… but like many things there are reporting delays. A simple call or email to LA County public health could’ve made these authors not look like jokes.I guess the takeaway using the authors approach is that the CDC is underreporting COVID deaths :)
Regardless of the authors error, in this thread, we’re discussing the Delta and Omicron wave and age-of-COVID death… given both those waves tracked closely with excess deaths there’s no evidence that over counting played a role there.
I could see, moving forward, in a highly vaccinated world the authors case could become true? But last I checked the proportions of COVID deaths (COVID on death certificate - as determined by attending doc) that had COVID as the primary/underlying cause was > 90%.
What is your argument DanM?
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2600 bro wrote:
DanM wrote:
Funny… you can provide actual data and some people just flail and plug their ears.
"Therefore, currently reported COVID-19 deaths are an overestimate. When community COVID-19 positivity increases, deaths increase even if new infections are no longer likely to cause those deaths. By routinely testing every newly hospitalized patient without changing how we count COVID-19 deaths, we will never see a reduction in the number of COVID-19 deaths below the expected proportion based on community positivity."
ok first of all.
that article is embarrassing for the authors.They didn’t realize there is reporting lag in deaths. LA county now reports 13 or 14 (hard to read) people died on average the week leading up to August 19th. Not 7 as the authors had claimed.
The CDC and NYT still report 12 deaths average.
If you look at the Internet Archive (linked at bottom) you can see that when the article was published the graph did claim 7 deaths on avg… but like many things there are reporting delays. A simple call or email to LA County public health could’ve made these authors not look like jokes.I guess the takeaway using the authors approach is that the CDC is underreporting COVID deaths :)
Regardless of the authors error, in this thread, we’re discussing the Delta and Omicron wave and age-of-COVID death… given both those waves tracked closely with excess deaths there’s no evidence that over counting played a role there.
I could see, moving forward, in a highly vaccinated world the authors case could become true? But last I checked the proportions of COVID deaths (COVID on death certificate - as determined by attending doc) that had COVID as the primary/underlying cause was > 90%.
What is your argument DanM?
Nice work. Embarrassing how many MDs will openly broadcast their innumeracy for a few clicks and political points.
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Hard to believe that people still don't understand reporting delays over 2 years into the pandemic.
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Harambe wrote:
2600 bro wrote:
ok first of all.
that article is embarrassing for the authors.They didn’t realize there is reporting lag in deaths. LA county now reports 13 or 14 (hard to read) people died on average the week leading up to August 19th. Not 7 as the authors had claimed.
The CDC and NYT still report 12 deaths average.
If you look at the Internet Archive (linked at bottom) you can see that when the article was published the graph did claim 7 deaths on avg… but like many things there are reporting delays. A simple call or email to LA County public health could’ve made these authors not look like jokes.I guess the takeaway using the authors approach is that the CDC is underreporting COVID deaths :)
Regardless of the authors error, in this thread, we’re discussing the Delta and Omicron wave and age-of-COVID death… given both those waves tracked closely with excess deaths there’s no evidence that over counting played a role there.
I could see, moving forward, in a highly vaccinated world the authors case could become true? But last I checked the proportions of COVID deaths (COVID on death certificate - as determined by attending doc) that had COVID as the primary/underlying cause was > 90%.
What is your argument DanM?
Nice work. Embarrassing how many MDs will openly broadcast their innumeracy for a few clicks and political points.
Meanwhile, in Finland:
Fewer Covid deaths than reported
Goebeler says it is now estimated that about one-fifth of the deaths registered as related to the coronavirus were due to another cause.
"It is now known that about 20 percent of the recorded coronavirus deaths were such that the attending physicians have determined that the actual cause of death is something other than the coronavirus," says Goebeler.
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DanM wrote:
Harambe wrote:
Nice work. Embarrassing how many MDs will openly broadcast their innumeracy for a few clicks and political points.
Meanwhile, in Finland:
Fewer Covid deaths than reported
Goebeler says it is now estimated that about one-fifth of the deaths registered as related to the coronavirus were due to another cause.
"It is now known that about 20 percent of the recorded coronavirus deaths were such that the attending physicians have determined that the actual cause of death is something other than the coronavirus," says Goebeler.
DanM: posts OpEd with false data.
Wait but Finland!Youre intellectually empty. It’s sad.
Go ahead and knock 200k COVID deaths off the US tally. If only 850k dead is ok with you… we get it.
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Whistleblower warns baffling illness affects growing number of young adults in Canadian province: Several new cases in New Brunswick involve caretakers of those afflicted, suggesting a possible environmental trigger:
"Vaccine" shedding of the bioweapon spike protein.
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Alex Jones Was Right wrote:
Whistleblower warns baffling illness affects growing number of young adults in Canadian province: Several new cases in New Brunswick involve caretakers of those afflicted, suggesting a possible environmental trigger:
"Vaccine" shedding of the bioweapon spike protein
It's anecdotal, but I read the first several new posts on Died Suddenly News every day. Vaccine shedding has only appeared once that I recall.
It seems that if it were a thing, more people would be reporting it.
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fisky wrote:
Alex Jones Was Right wrote:
Whistleblower warns baffling illness affects growing number of young adults in Canadian province: Several new cases in New Brunswick involve caretakers of those afflicted, suggesting a possible environmental trigger:
"Vaccine" shedding of the bioweapon spike protein
It's anecdotal, but I read the first several new posts on Died Suddenly News every day. Vaccine shedding has only appeared once that I recall.
It seems that if it were a thing, more people would be reporting it.
Reading conspiracy news sites daily is a horrible use of your time. You're steps away from your loved ones posting on11 -
Stop before its too late wrote:
fisky wrote:
It's anecdotal, but I read the first several new posts on Died Suddenly News every day. Vaccine shedding has only appeared once that I recall.
It seems that if it were a thing, more people would be reporting it.
Reading conspiracy news sites daily is a horrible use of your time. You're steps away from your loved ones posting onIf your argument on any topic is to label people with an opposing view "conspiracy theorists", you are a sucker and have been had.
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Commonsense folk wrote:
The SHEEP are STRONG! Sad
Quite true. Though probably not in the sense that you intended.
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IIRC most of the “unknown causes” hysteria was… people not understanding reporting delays and that records are updated as cause of death info comes in.
Another year old meme dug up by antivaxxers because they have nothing of substance.
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Fauci admits lockdowns screwed kids and small businesses.
Something we have been saying all along and being attacked for doing so
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Sanity returning even in Canada. Mrs. DanM and I can now arrange our springtime visit to Quebec City, the site of our honeymoon.
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