2018 Commonwealth Games Discussion Thread.

Medalcontenders wrote:

Deanouk wrote:

Have to agree with you there. Even a peak Willis wouldn't have beaten Manangoi today. He finished a 3:34.7 with closing splits of 52.1, 38.6, 25.9 and 12.8.

Willis may have got the silver.

I don't think Wightman is the man to breakthrough as a serious medal contender for Britain either, although he is at least consistent. He should make finals, but he's already 22, by which time his illustrious predecessors had already beaten the rest of the world: Cram was World Champ at 22, Ovett was World Cup & European Champ, and Coe had broken 3 WRs.

But it is early season.

What about the bronze guy at worlds last year? he must be 25 or something? cant say i had heard about him until last two years

Filia Ingebrigtsen, NOR, about to turn 25

huhuh wrote:

Medalcontenders wrote:

What about the bronze guy at worlds last year? he must be 25 or something? cant say i had heard about him until last two years

Filip Ingebrigtsen, NOR, about to turn 25

huhuh wrote:

Medalcontenders wrote:

What about the bronze guy at worlds last year? he must be 25 or something? cant say i had heard about him until last two years

Filia Ingebrigtsen, NOR, about to turn 25

Yeah, that's him. I think I remember reading something about him having a kid brother who might be quite good too.

I never doubted that "white men" can run within the top-3800 best all-time performances, slower than Jim Ryun in the '60s, and slightly faster than Herb Elliot from 1958. In one detailed historical review of all time performances, I "singled out" "5 nations", looking at "the best of the rest", which includes white, black, brown, red and yellow men, noting that very few actually ran faster than Coe and Cram in the '80s, and then not by all that much. You built the "white" strawman, I presume for the sole purpose of calling me racist.

Coevett wrote:

Perhaps a voice is in their back of their heads in these races, sounding exactly like RekRunner or El Keinaio, telling them that white men can't run?

trollism wrote:

Keniano will be loving this.

Thankfully it seems like Callum is alright, which will make Keniano a bit sadder.

This is a terrible thing to say about someone. As far as low blows go, I rate this about as low as the time two years ago when I got banned after some ridiculous poster accused me of making death threats. For the record, the alleged "death threat" was a pretty common phrase on the internet - "kill yourself" (disclaimer for hyper-sensitive mods: I'm not encouraging this odious poster to harm himself ).

I have no reason to dislike Callum Hawkins and do not enjoy seeing that happen to any runner. The Australians should be ashamed. Remember, this has happened to at least three Kenyan runners at international marathons and I was accused, right on this message board, of overreacting when I complained about the lack of assistance and the indifference of spectators.

rekrunner wrote:

I never doubted that "white men" can run within the top-3800 best all-time performances, slower than Jim Ryun in the '60s, and slightly faster than Herb Elliot from 1958.

In one detailed historical review of all time performances, I "singled out" "5 nations", looking at "the best of the rest", which includes white, black, brown, red and yellow men, noting that very few actually ran faster than Coe and Cram in the '80s, and then not by all that much.

You built the "white" strawman, I presume for the sole purpose of calling me racist.

Coevett wrote:

Perhaps a voice is in their back of their heads in these races, sounding exactly like RekRunner or El Keinaio, telling them that white men can't run?

White guys are just so slow, perhaps we should try some sort of remedy. If only I could think of something that would help ?

Gone are the days of gentlemen like John Landy, unfortunately.

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

I never doubted that "white men" can run within the top-3800 best all-time performances, slower than Jim Ryun in the '60s, and slightly faster than Herb Elliot from 1958.

In one detailed historical review of all time performances, I "singled out" "5 nations", looking at "the best of the rest", which includes white, black, brown, red and yellow men, noting that very few actually ran faster than Coe and Cram in the '80s, and then not by all that much.

You built the "white" strawman, I presume for the sole purpose of calling me racist.

White guys are just so slow, perhaps we should try some sort of remedy. If only I could think of something that would help ?

Well given that we can never likely test everybody equally, maybe the solution is to let everybody take what the hell they want. My only problem with that is you would get athletes like Flo Jo literally willing to dope themselves to death for an Olympic gold. So maybe some additional rules, such as all times and medals scrubbed and prize money returned if the athlete goes on to develop a serious illness before 50 (and no genetic cause or infection can be proven)?

If I was a billionaire I'd set up a rival league and let everybody take what they want, with the above mentioned caveats. Either that, or have the elite be monitored round the clock, or maybe for 1 year only, with microchips inserted to provide realtime blood testing and other data. It would make a great reality show too. The Golden Mile - the top 20 1500m/milers in the world chasing a $100 million prize and agreeing to live in a secluded bubble subject to daily testing and everything coming in and out of the athlete's living and training areas checked.

I would also try to set up a challenge match under similar conditions between El G and one of his non-African peers who nobody suspects of doping and who was probably similarly talented - such as Matthew Yates. Both are still apparently in good health, so if both trained full-time for a year, the gap in 'natural talent' - if ithat's what it was - should still be obvious and El G would win easily. 100 million dollars to the winner, nothing for the loser - and in El G's case if he lost, the brutal confirmation that he wasn't the best miler but the best doped miler.

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

I never doubted that "white men" can run within the top-3800 best all-time performances, slower than Jim Ryun in the '60s, and slightly faster than Herb Elliot from 1958.

In one detailed historical review of all time performances, I "singled out" "5 nations", looking at "the best of the rest", which includes white, black, brown, red and yellow men, noting that very few actually ran faster than Coe and Cram in the '80s, and then not by all that much.

You built the "white" strawman, I presume for the sole purpose of calling me racist.

White guys are just so slow, perhaps we should try some sort of remedy. If only I could think of something that would help ?

I wonder what more Sondre Nordstad Moen can do in the marathon.

The fact thats how people think about you in here, might give you something to reflect on. Knowing your behaviour, western-complex and lack of ability to admit mistakes, you'll learn nothing from it though, hah.

And Australians, please remember to be ashamed. Just like Kenyans are ashamed of the state of their country.

Archduke Charles wrote:

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

White guys are just so slow, perhaps we should try some sort of remedy. If only I could think of something that would help ?

I wonder what more Sondre Nordstad Moen can do in the marathon.

Living and training with Kenyans is becoming popular and seems to get desired results as well as the admiration of a lot people. But then you have the dim-witted few (was it Nick Willis?) who were suggesting harebrained solutions such as uprooting Kenyan athletes from their home environment in the Rift Valley and forcing them to train in London(!) for the duration of the season. First of all, very few of us would like to live there. This guy is considered of unimpeachable character in these parts and is held in extremely high regard by the Letsrun crowd. But ever since that tweet, I've always considered him an idiot.

Oh, we love our country just fine, Barakus. You couldn't pay me to live in yours. Which is it, by the way?

I missed this from Matthew Hughes after he finished fourth in the steeplechase:

"I've never done that before in my entire life - it was instinct ... but I knew he was in front of me," said Hughes, who was irate his plan to upset Kenya's dominance had failed by such a small margin.

"I'm sick and tired of coming here... my mentality was rewrite the script... the Kenyans just come in here and do whatever they want and nobody tries to mess up their plans.

"I've been in amazing shape every single year and now I watch these three guys jog around the track."

Not bitter at all.

Haven't you admitted that you have a hatred for British people?

I don't use that word lightly either, I'm sure 'hatred' is the word you used yourself.

- With its many water sources, Kenya has a high rate of water-borne and mosquito-carried diseases. Malaria strikes over 8 million people each year. Other diseases such as schistosomiasis, Rift Valley fever and Chikungunya (similar to Dengue fever) are also a problem.

- However, the leading cause of mortality among Kenyans is HIV/AIDS, which kills around 80,000 people each year. The disease has left an estimated 1.2 million children without one or both parents.

- With high unemployment, the number of Kenyans living in poverty is rising and some 4 million now rely on food aid.

- Around a third of children under five are stunted, with more than 15% underweight.

- Apart from major disease killers, Kenya has a serious problem with death in traffic collisions. Kenya has the highest rate of road crashes in the world, with 510 fatal crashes per 100,000 vehicles (2004 estimate), as compared to second-ranked South Africa, with 260 fatalities, and the United Kingdom, with 20

- There is a high rate of crime in all regions of Kenya, particularly in Nairobi, Mombasa, Kisumu, and coastal beach resorts. There are regular reports of attacks against tourists by groups of armed assailants

- In the Corruption Perceptions Index 2007, Kenya was ranked 150th out of 179 countries for corruption (least corrupt countries are at the top of the list). In 2007, on a scale of 0 to 10, with 0 the most corrupt and 10 the most transparent, Transparency International rated Kenya 2.1.

Kenyans should be ashamed on behalf of their children.

You couldn't pay me enough to live in this country for life.

B.O.: Are saying you believe Kenyan men will sweep both 800m & 1500m at 2019 World Championships, Athletics?

El Keniano wrote:

Archduke Charles wrote:

I wonder what more Sondre Nordstad Moen can do in the marathon.

Living and training with Kenyans is becoming popular and seems to get desired results as well as the admiration of a lot people. But then you have the dim-witted few (was it Nick Willis?) who were suggesting harebrained solutions such as uprooting Kenyan athletes from their home environment in the Rift Valley and forcing them to train in London(!) for the duration of the season. First of all, very few of us would like to live there. This guy is considered of unimpeachable character in these parts and is held in extremely high regard by the Letsrun crowd. But ever since that tweet, I've always considered him an idiot.

No the solution is western nations setting up a state of the art lab in East Africa and making it a rule that you have to be tested some 12-15 times in the last 18 months prior to first joining the circuit.

Kenyans have shown extraordinary success since 1964 when one considers the size of Kenya's population. Will you apologize to the entire Nation of Kenya using your real name when a lab is set up in Nairobi under your conditions listed and all whom test positive will be an occasional pole vaulter or an occasional triple jumper? An Australian won the Marathon. You should be happy!

Foolish wrote:

Kenyans have shown extraordinary success since 1964 when one considers the size of Kenya's population. Will you apologize to the entire Nation of Kenya using your real name when a lab is set up in Nairobi under your conditions listed and all whom test positive will be an occasional pole vaulter or an occasional triple jumper? An Australian won the Marathon. You should be happy!

Stop with this 'little country Kenya' nonsense. It has a population of 50 million plus and is still growing by about 20% a decade. That means it will be 60 million in 10 years, 72 million in 20 years, and at present trends, over 90 million by mid-century. It also means the young population is now already much larger than any individual European country such as GB, German, or France, especially if you took out the immigrant population from these countries.

Further, whether or not football/soccer is 'more popular' amongst young people in Kenya than running, every youngster and every youngster's teacher knows his chance of sporting stardom depends on his ability to run. Every talented Kenyan runner will go into running, whereas in countries like the USA or the UK, it's more like 1 talented runner in 20.

When you add in the fact that EPO is available over the counter (or 'under the counter') at every high street pharmacy in Kenya, it's quite remarkable that guys like Clayton Murphey, Kyle Langford, Centrowitch and Jake Wightman are even capable of reaching finals.

When Kenyans are subjected to the same testing as everybody else, they wil need a population of over a billion to stay dominant.