Sandra Vi going for record across America

From a prior post

That's not more relevant, or even relevant at all. You're comparing one achievement that did not meet record requirements with another achievement with did. This does not apply to the case of two people both achieving the requirements.

I stand by my Maris/Ruth comparison. Maris hit more runs "in a season" which was the criteria for the record. Ruth had a higher average number of runs per game.

Maris got the record, fair and square. With an asterisk.

Yep.

And you can get a certificate suitable for framing.

It won't even have the asterisk on it.

Any ideas or speculation on what happen at the end of day to cause the weird tracker points all over the place? Haven't anything like that since the beginning.

Sandy went running through the fields?

Tracker art wrote:

Any ideas or speculation on what happen at the end of day to cause the weird tracker points all over the place? Haven't anything like that since the beginning.

Sandy went running through the fields?

Sandy's team is working hard on the issue with City Hall for the weekend. Everything will work out, regardless of when she finishes. We will satisfy the Guinness requirements . . . she will finish at City Hall. If it works out she can't actually climb the steps when she finishes, we will make damn sure she is as close to possible. There are other ways to make it "criticism proof" as well, such as "lassoing" City Hall (running all the way around it . . . if she does that, how can anyone claim she wasn't there?), running past it and finishing at Battery Park (both of those things would add more miles than finishing on the step).

Bottom line: common sense will prevail here.

Zwitty wrote:

Sandy's team is working hard on the issue with City Hall for the weekend. Everything will work out, regardless of when she finishes. We will satisfy the Guinness requirements . . . she will finish at City Hall. If it works out she can't actually climb the steps when she finishes, we will make damn sure she is as close to possible. There are other ways to make it "criticism proof" as well, such as "lassoing" City Hall (running all the way around it . . . if she does that, how can anyone claim she wasn't there?), running past it and finishing at Battery Park (both of those things would add more miles than finishing on the step).

Bottom line: common sense will prevail here.

There is no common sense with Guinness Book of record rules.

She has to make it to the steps or it doesn't count for the Guinness book record.

Nobody has ever got a world record without making it to the finish line. You can't run around the finish line and claim you made it either. The Guinness Book said it has to be from the City Hall steps to the City Hall steps. Does it make sense, no. But these are the rules.

Are you sure about that? I haven't seen ANYTHING from Guinness saying the start/finish have to be from the City Hall "steps" . . . rather, just from City Hall. And again, it would be utterly insane to refuse to certify a 3100+ mile record because the runner couldn't actually ascend the City Hall steps because City Hall was closed.

At any rate, even if Sandy can't ascend the steps on Sat/Sun, she can on Monday. We would let the general public decide what day she reached the finish line. I'm a lawyer, so I appreciate arguments about details, but in the law, there are several maxims forbidding statutory interpretations that lead to absurd results. Sandy will be AT City Hall on Saturday or Sunday. Where, exactly, she finishes on City Hall grounds is completely out of her control. Anyone who would think to invalidate her effort because she wasn't allowed on the steps of City Hall, instead of just being on the City Hall grounds, is a certifiable idiot in my humble opinion.

Did anyone catch that Zwitty said Sat/Sun? So it may be a Sun finish? I'd like to get a better estimate so I can figure out if I should fight the Marathon crowds to come see Sandy finish. Go Sandy!

5-MILE SPLITS

Day # 53, November 2nd

All times are Garmin Time in the Pacific Timezone.

Sandy is in the Eastern timezone.

Start Day & Time: September 11th, 6:01 AM

Time: Miles ~Split Time +/- 3 minutes

02:01 AM: 00 Elapsed time since start: 51:20:00 (days:hours:minutes)

03:22 AM: 05 ~81 min

04:34 AM: 10 ~72 min

05:45 AM: 15 ~71 min

06:01 AM: -- Start of Day 52 per elapsed time since start

06:52 AM: 20 ~67 min

07:59 AM: 25 ~67 min

City Hall to City Hall wrote:

Did anyone catch that Zwitty said Sat/Sun? So it may be a Sun finish? I'd like to get a better estimate so I can figure out if I should fight the Marathon crowds to come see Sandy finish. Go Sandy!

You can assume:

14 min/mile pace (Sandy runs better on non-rainy days which she has through Sat)

165-175 miles to go after completing 25 miles so far today in just under 6 hours

Hours of running to go: 39.7 (not including breaks)

Typical hours run per day: 13-1/2

Hours remaining after today: ~32

Hours remaining after tomorrow: ~18

Saturday will be a very long day with a very early start like Pete (midnight), or she might run a hour extra the next few days and shorten up Sat.

The following adds the min/mile overall pace. After 5 miles Sandy pace was 16:12/mile. After 25 miles her pace over this 25 miles was 14:19. Her first 5 miles have usually been like long warmups.

5-MILE SPLITS

Day # 53, November 2nd

All times are Garmin Time in the Pacific Timezone.

Sandy is in the Eastern timezone.

Start Day & Time: September 11th, 6:01 AM

Time: Miles ~Split Time +/- 3 minutes (Overall Pace in min/mile based on total miles run today)

02:01 AM: 00 Elapsed time since start: 51:20:00 (days:hours:minutes)

03:22 AM: 05 ~81 min (16:12)

04:34 AM: 10 ~72 min (15:18)

05:45 AM: 15 ~71 min (14:56)

06:01 AM: -- Start of Day 52 per elapsed time since start

06:52 AM: 20 ~51 min (14:33)

07:59 AM: 25 ~67 min (14:19)

5-MILE SPLITS

Day # 53, November 2nd

All times are Garmin Time in the Pacific Timezone.

Sandy is in the Eastern timezone.

Start Day & Time: September 11th, 6:01 AM

Time: Miles ~Split Time +/- 3 minutes (Overall Pace in min/mile based on total miles run today)

02:01 AM: 00 Elapsed time since start: 51:20:00 (days:hours:minutes)

03:22 AM: 05 ~81 min (16:12)

04:34 AM: 10 ~72 min (15:18)

05:45 AM: 15 ~71 min (14:56)

06:01 AM: -- Start of Day 52 per elapsed time since start

06:52 AM: 20 ~67 min (14:33)

07:59 AM: 25 ~67 min (14:19)

CORRECTION: Should have been from 05:45 AM rather than 06:01 AM.

5-MILE SPLITS

Day # 53, November 2nd

All times are Garmin Time in the Pacific Timezone.

Sandy is in the Eastern timezone.

Start Day & Time: September 11th, 6:01 AM

Time: Miles ~Split Time +/- 3 minutes (Overall Pace in min/mile based on total miles run today)

02:01 AM: 00 Elapsed time since start: 51:20:00 (days:hours:minutes)

03:22 AM: 05 ~81 min (16:12)

04:34 AM: 10 ~72 min (15:18)

05:45 AM: 15 ~71 min (14:56)

06:01 AM: -- Start of Day 52 per elapsed time since start

06:52 AM: 20 ~67 min (14:33)

07:59 AM: 25 ~67 min (14:19)

09:07 AM: 30 ~68 min (14:12)

Hi Ventolin! wrote:

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The URC trolls are in desperation mode.

5-MILE SPLITS

Day # 53, November 2nd

All times are Garmin Time in the Pacific Timezone.

Sandy is in the Eastern timezone.

Start Day & Time: September 11th, 6:01 AM

Time: Miles ~Split Time +/- 3 minutes (Overall Pace in min/mile based on total miles run today)

02:01 AM: 00 Elapsed time since start: 51:20:00 (days:hours:minutes)

03:22 AM: 05 ~81 min (16:12)

04:34 AM: 10 ~72 min (15:18)

05:45 AM: 15 ~71 min (14:56)

06:01 AM: -- Start of Day 52 per elapsed time since start

06:52 AM: 20 ~67 min (14:33)

07:59 AM: 25 ~67 min (14:19)

09:07 AM: 30 ~68 min (14:12)

09:49 AM: ~33 Lunch Break Start

10:22 AM: -- Lunch Break End (33 minutes)

10:48 AM: 35 ~68 min (14:07)

Someone should ask Amy H, she is the real expert regarding Guinness rules.

5-MILE SPLITS

Day # 53, November 2nd

All times are Garmin Time in the Pacific Timezone.

Sandy is in the Eastern timezone.

Start Day & Time: September 11th, 6:01 AM

Time: Miles ~Split Time +/- 3 minutes (Overall Pace in min/mile based on total miles run today)

02:01 AM: 00 Elapsed time since start: 51:20:00 (days:hours:minutes)

03:22 AM: 05 ~81 min (16:12)

04:34 AM: 10 ~72 min (15:18)

05:45 AM: 15 ~71 min (14:56)

06:01 AM: -- Start of Day 52 per elapsed time since start

06:52 AM: 20 ~67 min (14:33)

07:59 AM: 25 ~67 min (14:19)

09:07 AM: 30 ~68 min (14:12)

09:49 AM: ~33 Lunch Break Start

10:22 AM: -- Lunch Break End (33 minutes)

10:48 AM: 35 ~68 min (14:07)

12:01 PM: 40 ~73 min (14:10)

That City Hall steps issue just shows how weird that whole Guinness book rule set for the Trans America crossing is, which probably was set in stone in the end 70ies by one or two people.

At the end, this is just a fun record and not a World Record you could achieve on a certified course in Marathon or 100k races.

Markus,

I sure doubt anyone on Sandy's team would refer to this as "just a fun record," given the unbelievable work the "core 3" (Sandy, Jay, and Cinder) have put in for 52+ days now.

Yes, the record is a FKT-type record, but plenty of people take some iconic FKTs VERY seriously (Appalachian Trail, R2R2R, etc etc). In a few days, Sandy will have run across the country -- following all applicable rules and traditions -- faster than any woman in history. I'm going to go ahead and call that more than "just fun." (And I imagine the other men and women who have tried to set a transcon record over the course of the past decade -- such as Pete, Marshall, Mimi, Lisa Smith-Batchen, and others --would readily agree to the importance of the record as well).

Finally, what Sandy is about to accomplish will ABSOLUTELY be a "world record." It is of little difference or distinction that the terms/requirements of the world record are set by Guinness as opposed to some track and field or marathon association; for ANY world record, there needs to be rules by which to abide, and those rules are set by the governing body that certifies the record.