Official 2014 Boston Marathon Race Discussion Thread

rojo · 2014-04-21T07:59:52-04:00

It's Patriots Day in Boston and race day is upon us. It should be thrilling. A few comments. We asked our wind expert - John Kellogg (JK) - to comment on the weather. Yesterday morning, when the wind forecast was for a SSW of 7-8 mph, we asked JK how that would impact the race. The course runs mainly West to East but it does go slightly from the south to the North as shown here: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YQsV8uA1vvU/S9G7NqwAawI/AAAAAAAAEJw/702xB5sGJCw/s320/boston-CourseMap.gif Here is what JK wrote: [quote][b]JK wrote:[/b] There should be a tailwind component of 4-6 mph for the race, which in theory would make the times about 55 to 85 seconds faster than they would be if there was no wind. A little bit about wind readings: Unless a weather report specifically indicates the readings are those at ground level, wind speeds can be assumed to be taken 10 meters above ground in open areas (e.g., airports), and the wind speed that runners experience at chest/head level usually ranges from 40% to 80% of the reported speed, depending on surrounding objects (open areas vs. buildings, trees, etc.) and elevation (low sections of road vs. hilltops or overpasses). That's why you'll often see wind gauge readings of 4 mps (about 9 mph) at track meets when current weather reports show a 20 mph wind and it sure feels like it's a lot stronger than you'd expect 9 mph to feel. The wind gauge is actually closer to the ground than the heads and chests of the athletes, so runners are typically experiencing abut 12 mph of wind on a 20 mph wind day (unless the race is in an extremely flat, wide-open area like a prairie or a coastline, in which case the chest-level wind speed could be up to 80% of the reported speed). But for practical purposes, we can usually just use the reported wind speed to make time comparisons against calm conditions. Those comparisons can never be perfect because of the quirky nature of wind and the effects of terrain and surrounding objects. The real world isn't a wind tunnel, so take any prediction about the time benefit of a tailwind as a ballpark estimate.[/quote] The forecast has changed since he wrote that. It's expected to be more of a southerly wind. Last night, it was supposed to be out of the South but now still says SSW and then S. If it was straight out of the South, JK said on the phone it would probably help around 30 seconds versus there being now wind. In summary, the conditions are there for a fast day if the runner's decide to run fast. Temps will be in the 50s and sunny. A little warmer than ideal but a perfect day all told when considering what the spectators want. A few more intersting tidbits that I got from the press conference on Friday but haven't shared yet. I talked to top Ethiopian men's entrants in defending champ Desisa as well as 2:05:27 man Regassa who trains with Desisa. Both said they were in shape, but when I asked Regassa who was in better shape, he didn't hesitate at all. He pointed to Desisa. So the scuttlebutt is he's very much ready to defend. I also talked to Kenya's Kimetto who indicated he was happy with his fitness as well. In terms of getting seeing an American winner in Boston, here's one interesting scenario to consider down the road. Maybe the USA's best bet it to get a citizenship change. I asked LetsRun.com visitor Worku Beyi - the husband and coach of Deba - the Ethiopian woman who lives in the bronx - if they might become US citizens since they live here. He said, "Yes," and revealed he is actually getting his citizenship in October. I then asked if this meant Deba would run for the US in 2016. He thought she'd have to wait 5 years for citizenship (and said she was hoping to get a green card) but I told him I thought cirizenship could be expedited (wasn't it for Khanouchi). As for Desisa, he was outfitted in some sweet red, whie and blue adidas gear. I told him that looked like an American outfit and he said he'd love to get an American passport. Deba is obviously a real candidate. Desisa's mark seemed more like just a friendly statement. In the press room, they hopefully will have a split update each and every mile - much more than what you can get via tracking. I'll try to update them as I get them (and am actually going to be sending them via text to a top coach who asked for my help. If that American wins with a late surge, of course, we will be taking credit for it). I hope everyone enjoys the race - it should be awesome. In case you aren't up to date.

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12 years ago 04/21/2014 10:53am EDT

re: rojo

12 years ago 04/21/2014 10:53am EDT

re: rojo

This is going to be a heck of a finish. The chasers are clearly going to be running faster than Meb but he has a huge lead to hold onto.

12 years ago 04/21/2014 10:53am EDT

re: Bleu

Bleu wrote:
What is wrong with you people? This marathon is not set up? Go back and read the predictions. Maybe not the quality of London but this isn't a weak field. Who would rather see win? Rupp? Mo? Hall?

Not sure what your point is. You are right that this isn't a weak field. And there is absolutely no way that this field lets Meb go in the first 10 miles at a 2:08 pace.

Yes, the race is very obviously fixed.

12 years ago 04/21/2014 10:53am EDT

re: d2xccoach

Dr. Rosa mixes excellent cocktails for his trainees, eh?

12 years ago 04/21/2014 10:53am EDT

re: coach k

Even if Shalane had run the most efficient race, I highly doubt she could have covered Jeptoo's move

12 years ago 04/21/2014 10:54am EDT

re: joho

12 years ago 04/21/2014 10:54am EDT

re: rojo

rojo wrote:
We are oging to miss a great men's race as they don't start the races far enough apart:
Meb is still 52 seconds up with just 7k left.
Pos. Name BIB Division Age State Proj. finish Proj. daytime Diff Time
1 Keflezighi, Meb (USA) 19 Male 18-39 38 CA 02:08:31 12:08:32PM +00:00 01:46:36
2 Chebet, Wilson (KEN) 7 Male 18-39 28 02:09:33 12:09:34PM +00:52 01:47:28
3 Chepkwony, Frankline (KEN) 11 Male 18-39 29 02:09:34 12:09:35PM +00:52 01:47:28
4 Geneti, Markos (ETH) 5 Male 18-39 29 02:09:34 12:09:35PM +00:52 01:47:28
5 Kimetto, Dennis (KEN) 3 Male 18-39 30 02:09:34 12:09:35PM +00:52 01:47:28
6 Shafar, Vitaliy (UKR) 23 Male 18-39 32 02:10:11 12:10:13PM +01:23 01:47:59
7 Kimurer, Joel (KEN) 16 Male 18-39 26 02:10:13 12:10:14PM +01:25 01:48:01
8 Boit, Josphat (USA) 28 Male 18-39 30 CA 02:10:22 12:10:23PM +01:32 01:48:08
9 Lonyangata, Paul (KEN) 15 Male 18-39 31 02:10:25 12:10:26PM +01:34 01:48:10
10 April, Lusapho (RSA) 17 Male 18-39 31 02:10:35 12:10:36PM +01:43 01:48:19
11 Eggleston, Jeffrey (USA) 24 Male 18-39 29 CO 02:11:10 12:11:11PM +02:12 01:48:48
12 Kogo, Micah (KEN) 12 Male 18-39 27 02:11:33 12:11:34PM +02:31 01:49:07
13 Arciniaga, Nicholas (USA) 22 Male 18-39 30 AZ 02:11:34 12:11:35PM +02:32 01:49:08
14 Annani, Adil (MAR) 14 Male 18-39 33 02:11:35 12:11:36PM +02:33 01:49:09
15 Desisa, Lelisa (ETH) 1 Male 18-39 24 02:12:01 12:12:02PM +02:55 01:49:31

Is Hall still in it?

12 years ago 04/21/2014 10:54am EDT

re: Clerk

Desisa WAY out the back.

12 years ago 04/21/2014 10:54am EDT

re: Clerk

They don't give a flag to jeptoo. If shalane gets the usa flag that would be a real bitch move by the officials

12 years ago 04/21/2014 10:55am EDT

re: Clerk

4:48 for mile 22 for Meb.

At 23 miles, he has a 21 second lead. it's gonna be hard for himk to do it. As he had 50+ seconds at 35km.

12 years ago 04/21/2014 10:55am EDT

re: HardLoper

Shalane 2:22:0x hangs on

12 years ago 04/21/2014 10:55am EDT

re: HardLoper

HardLoper wrote:
This is going to be a heck of a finish. The chasers are clearly going to be running faster than Meb but he has a huge lead to hold onto.

Nope, race is fixed. Unless you think that the finish of fixed races is exciting.

12 years ago 04/21/2014 10:55am EDT

re: Mrs. M

Desisa shitting the bed. Number 1 my aunt Fannie

12 years ago 04/21/2014 10:55am EDT

re: ****

A 38-year-old is going to win the Boston Marathon?