Class of 2025 recruits

Better research would answer questions like:

What percent of HS runners with xxx times or race results or speed ratings ever finish with xxx type results in college.

With a cleaner and more complete data set someone could do an interesting paper on it.

No, but she’s a very smart girl from the Northeast with nice credentials. While she may very well be going through the admissions process for one or more of the Ivies, including Harvard, I’ve seen no public announcement.

Here is 2024, we'll just start from the top and see how it went in 2024 NCAA XC or early Indoor action. Bottom line, there is close to a 100% success rate of the top ranked high school women in their freshman year in college. It's a new generation of runners, people. -

1. Rachel Forsyth (Ann Arbor Pioneer). Signed with Michigan State. Placed 16th at NCAA Division I Cross Country Championships. Best of 19:26

2. Allie Zealand (Pacers Homeschool). Signed with Liberty University. Placed 20th at NCAA D1 South Region XC and opened with a 9:07 3000m indoors. Best of 20:08.

3. Anna Callahan (Skyline High School). Signed with Duke University. Has yet to compete.

4. Bethany Michalak (Air Academy High School). Signed with NC State University. Placed 160th at NCAA Division I Cross Country Championships. Best of 20:46.

5. Isabel Allori (Liberty Common High School). Signed with Notre Dame. Placed 233rd at NCAA Division I Cross Country Championships. Best of 19:56.

6. Samantha Humphries (Flower Mound). Signed with University of Oregon. Has yet to compete.

7. Maddie Gardiner (VA). Signed with University of North Carolina. Placed 75th at the ACC Cross Country Championships. Best of 20:34.

8. Natalie Barnard (Lafayette Wildwood). Signed with Missouri. Placed 127th at the NCAA D1 Midwest Regional Cross Country Championships. Best of 20:40.

9. Logan Hofstee (East Valley). Signed with Gonzaga. Placed 201st at NCAA Division I Cross Country Championships. Best of 19:48.

10. Mary Bonner Dalton (Myers Park). Signed with Notre Dame. Placed 82nd at NCAA Division I Cross Country Championships. Best of 19:49.

I could keep going.

Maybe 4 of those obviously lived up to a top 10 HS ranking, so far. More will of course, but your method of analysis leaves something to be desired.

If your point will be that almost all of the top 10 HS girls will be top 150 in their class in college. Um, okay.

teammate Ella Cohen has already announced for Harvard. wouldnt be shocked if two kids from a magnet school like Hunter get accepted at Harvard but wonder why Cohen got in weeks ago and no announcement yet from McElhinney. plus what happened to all the Notre Dame talk?

I would expect her to go to a very, very good academic school. Hunter College HS is extremely competitive - kids there are going to all sorts of very great schools. Harvard or Princeton if I had to guess…maybe Stanford is a possibility?

A ha, you exactly get my point.

The ladies I named here are the ones most often mentioned on lrc, as coming from nowhere. Why? none were ever top 10 at FL/nxn, none won national track titles, none set records. They were not well known national hs stars. Note also Valby has her 10:10 3200 as a sr, so her college was long settled by then and it was at FL states, not NBON etc.

Kids like Engelhardt, Shea, Starliper, Parks, Starcher, Touhy, Hedengren, Hutchins already are known as underclassmen.

So someone suggests that only kids undertrained and not known go on to be ncaa stars and cites Valby, Monson, Purrier, Schweizer etc.

First thought, seems logical but when you check it turns out they were all State champs and State Gatorade winners. They were all very good, well inside top 150, but relatively unknown since not winning national meets.

So if you re read my post, you'll note I was giving them as false examples of 'coming from nowhere'.

Happy 2025!

Your post proves nothing. Only 2 of the 10 girls you mentioned placed in the top 150 at the most recent NCAA D1 XC National Championships. 5 of the 10 girls didn't even make it to the XC D1 National Championships. That is certainly not the "close to a 100% success rate" that you incorrectly claimed.

Making it to the NCAA XC Champs as a freshman is insane. I’m afraid you have ni perspective how good that is at the D1 level.

It really isn't, you only have to be top 7 on one of the 34 qualifying teams.

A top 10 hs recruit just needs to run their high school times to make top 50 at ncaa, but it just doesn't often happen.

In the list you made, only Forsyth lived up to her high recruit standard as a freshman. She was All-American.

sure, it's a snap. Although Klaudia Kazimierska who has run 3:59 and 9:14 finished 100th, and Alex Carlson who has run 4:15 and 9:02 finished 84th, and Zofia Dudek who has run 15:32 finished 66th......and I thought 31 teams qualified

Running well at the Ncaa meet as a freshmen is very hard (harder for men than women due to 10k).

You are on campus for basically 10 weeks and you need to run against grown people. Also I think we will see less standouts make massive jumps as freshmen since high schoolers are training a lot better now than in the past.

You’re not understanding the sport and development.

Saratoga NY seniors

Darren Pasek - Columbia University NY
Owen Blaisdell - Northeastern University MA
Othmane Kerroum - Wesleyan University CT

Never said it's a snap.

I've been tracking this stuff since about 2000, and it is really pretty amazing.

For every Forsyth, Noe, Chmiel, Hurta, Touhy, Cook and Stevens last year at NC State that makes all American, or really helps a team as a freshman, the road is littered with stars who have struggled.

Dudek even a perfect example. Foot Locker champ and #1a in her recruiting class. Stormed on the scene as a frosh, looking to be a top 5 runner at NCAA based on her early season form with senior initeammate Ella Donaghu. Then at ncaa stress fractures during race, and never the same since.

Cook, noted above as a true freshman All-American at OSU got hurt that year in indoor and never returned to same top level.

I belabor this subject (like the Nico Young troll), because posters here are very inconsistent.

During recruiting season we get 'BYU now unbeatable with Hedengren winning ncaa as a freshman and will run an easy 14:50 at BU!'.

Then when she red shirts, finishes 114th, or gets hurt the same poster says 'don't be tough on her, it's really hard to adjust to college.'

I just try to apply the same expectations to big time recruits that football, basketball, soccer and gymnastics do. If a coach is lucky enough to get a top recruit, they and their AD certainly have expectations (hopes) that the athlete will contribute for four years, and at similar high standard.

Athletes have dreams too. They don't want to say, 'Well I won NXN nationals in hs, and in college I was 189th at xc once, made regionals twice in 5000 and finished 15th at ncaa 5000 the one year I finally stayed healthy.'

It sounds easy to simply stay healthy and just run your high school equivalent for a US star, but it's been remarkably hard to execute.

Taye Newman (JSerra) -> Embry Riddle

On his 13th attempt, Noonan nails a 1300 sat!😁

Seriously, congratulations on your decision for Stanford!