Katelyn Tuohy 5000m Prediction - What will her 5000 pb at the end of the season?

But if someone can convince me I am wrong, please do so. I think the midpoint of the race was at the start line on the back straightaway, which NC State reached in 8:30.

I took the times from the spot where the UA exchange occurred. I made no assumptions based on ‘published’ splits. Video analysis takes a little time but it’s pretty close.

ok but every exchange took place within 2-3 steps of where the runners were lined up, which would not seem to be the midpoint of the zone, no?

Krissy Gear ran ~4:11 high.

“which would not seem to be the midpoint of the zone, no?“

Not 2 seconds worth…

~4:11

I am not say 2, I am saying Gear ran 4:11 (and Tuohy 4:10). ~1 second delta (maybe a little less than that for where you took split). Also, these are not sprinters. A 65 second lap pace is 1.6 seconds for 10 meters.

Give it up. You’re wrong.

so how do you explain the total of the first 2 NC St legs when they reached that 200 m line in 8:30 (easily seen on race video)? That means 4:17/4:13 or 4:18/4:12 or something in between. That is the one exchange where the proper spot should be clear. And if that is wrong, I don't trust any of them. Or is that line wrong?

The runners took the handoff from the same spot each time. The broadcast video of the race does not show the handoff to Tuohy and the race inexplicably has nor posted splits. However someone said thet were told they have them, and USTF got it split times from somewhere.

well you are a reasonable person. Maybe you can explain the answer for the correct 2nd split (at the 200 m mark I think)?

No idea. But how does a major meet have a race where there is no understanding beforehand how the splits are supposed to be calculated? They calculated the splits for every other race from the 4 by 400 up.

well there are no existing lines for the 1500 m mark on the first leg, and the start of 1500 m on the last leg. I think they took the times when the baton was passed. But clearly that is not right for exchange 2. I did see 3 cones set up at each pass about 10 m apart, with the runners lined up at the first one. But again for the 2nd pass the final cone was at the line and the first one about 20 m ahead of it. I think the splits as reported reflect legs of ~1490/1500/1500/1510.

Meets use batons that have a GPS device embedded. Splits are programmed in at whatever distance each leg is required to run.

ok so I figured out the answer to my own question. The start/finish line for the 4x1500 is not 200 m from the final line on the back stretch (near the turn). The 5000 m races do not go from the line I had thought. So what I thought was the proper location for the split there was wrong. So I withdraw everything I said above about the splits being wrong as I cannot see for sure where they should be, and I will assume they got them right (at least I hope so).

Still it is the only relay race from the 4x400 up where no splits have been posted. I'll just assume they have them.

I meant on the Penn Relay site.

If you look at the entire race it seems like splits are easy to compute since handoffs, unlike the 4x100, are made while the next runner is either perfectly still or marginally starting to move. There is a tradition of citing splits for 4x400 races and up…they are relatively meaningful and IMO should be counted as part of the progression of a runner’s performance. Whether this is the actual practice seems to be in some dispute in this forum.