How does trump have anything to do with a critique of Tlaib in regards to her inflammatory statements around the hospital bombing in Gaza? Seems like trump is your security blanket. Again, jumping straight to trump shows you have a lack of depth of understanding and a lack of ability to discuss something on its own merit. I won’t block you, I’ll just keep in mind that there aren’t any liberals in this thread willing to call out anything on their own side, which is ridiculous.
I’ll admit that the current state of the republicans in the house is a cluster. As much as I disagree with Nancy Pelosi, she was an effective speaker. The republicans haven’t been able to duplicate that on their own side.
the above is an example of discussing a topic without resorting to low intelligence whataboutisms. Give it a try, you might be surprised at how good it feels.
I didn't jump straight to trump. I said tlaib is an idiot and there's not much you can do about idiots in the House. I noted she is a powerless backbencher, ignored by leadership.
THEN I pointed out a contrast: The GOP is trying to make Jim Jordan, a completely extreme wildman who won't disavow J6 or even say Biden was the legit winner of the election, and has been blowing up the House for years...the GOP is making him into the SPeaker of the House.
that's an important observation to give context to your complaint about Tlaib not being silenced. Tlaib is ignored, Jordan is made Speaker of the House. I fail to see how that is not a useful comparison.
Did I even mention trump? No. I spoke of Republicans, not Trump.
It added nothing of value other than to confirm how tribalistic you are in your thinking. Do you ever have discussions about your own party without comparing the dems to the republicans? I think it’s important to have those types of discussions. Just because person A is bad doesn’t mean you excuse person B of being bad. I think you’re a bit touchy and assume any critique of anyone on your side is an attack.
I didn't jump straight to trump. I said tlaib is an idiot and there's not much you can do about idiots in the House. I noted she is a powerless backbencher, ignored by leadership.
THEN I pointed out a contrast: The GOP is trying to make Jim Jordan, a completely extreme wildman who won't disavow J6 or even say Biden was the legit winner of the election, and has been blowing up the House for years...the GOP is making him into the SPeaker of the House.
that's an important observation to give context to your complaint about Tlaib not being silenced. Tlaib is ignored, Jordan is made Speaker of the House. I fail to see how that is not a useful comparison.
Did I even mention trump? No. I spoke of Republicans, not Trump.
It added nothing of value other than to confirm how tribalistic you are in your thinking. Do you ever have discussions about your own party without comparing the dems to the republicans? I think it’s important to have those types of discussions. Just because person A is bad doesn’t mean you excuse person B of being bad. I think you’re a bit touchy and assume any critique of anyone on your side is an attack.
biden is too old
dems talk way too much about race
campus politics are ridiculous and hurtful
dems spend too much
dems are terrible at politics in general
dems are terrible at messaging the good stuff they do. they can't even talk to a quarter of the country despite all their strong policies to help that quarter of the country.
dems have a small bench
ok? We good? I'll go back to wide ranging comments bringing meaningful context to things now.
This is a guy that thinks the US need to incorporate the rapture and end times into our foreign policy. And if anyone disagrees they will be going to Hades to burn eternally according to his understanding of the Bible.
At the same time he sign his posts with #FJB which of course means F&ck Joe Biden.
This is the 2023 version of Right wing holy roller.
Putin is Russian Orthodox Judeo-Christian. Very symbiotic with Russo-Dox. Not afraid to cross himself in public like some unmentionables. Brought Russo-Dox into 20th century with his pro-J. Christ economic initiatives. In Russia, they don't hovel the national kids for praying in the schools like the liberals do in America!
What a man utterly lame thread this would be if you couldn’t bring context and comparison into play.
Jumping straight to Trump or whatsboutisms is what makes a thread lame. I’ve actually been impressed with Biden’s rhetoric during the current Israel/Hamas conflict. He’s been very much direct in support Israel and hasn’t pulled punches when referring to Hamas as terrorists. It’s unfortunate to see people in his own party undermining his strong stance with inflammatory comments on a situation that had little concrete evidence surrounding it.
Your response: “But what aboutTrump and the republicans?!” That ads neither context or value to the conversation. It shows you have limited ability to discuss a topic.
Agip already won this argument, but you're still going. He allowed all the bad things about some idiots on the left. Of course. Non-Trumpers on this thread do that ALL that time. But hypocrisy and blatant inconsistency are always relevant.
This might not apply to you, but when folks (like Agip and me and others) have been "arguing" with people who have overlooked HUGE amounts of badness from Trump and Trumpism for years, it's very easy to simply NOT be interested in hearing sniping from those same folks at (almost always) lesser transgressions from others.
If one refuses to call Spade 1 a spade for years and years, no one will be terribly "interested" or tolerant of that person now calling Spade 2 a spade today. It's that simple, and shouldn't be surprising.
And when Biden again destroys the orange menace, tzees will again scratch their heads and claim it's not possible.
Dude stop with the little cute nicknames that a third-grader would never even use. "Orange Menace" and "Tzees." Beyond lame. Are you 33 or 13?
You're goddam straight shooting, Sally Vix. People who are constantly coming up with cutesy nicknames for those they detest are a blight on our discourse of national truth.
Jumping straight to Trump or whatsboutisms is what makes a thread lame. I’ve actually been impressed with Biden’s rhetoric during the current Israel/Hamas conflict. He’s been very much direct in support Israel and hasn’t pulled punches when referring to Hamas as terrorists. It’s unfortunate to see people in his own party undermining his strong stance with inflammatory comments on a situation that had little concrete evidence surrounding it.
Your response: “But what aboutTrump and the republicans?!” That ads neither context or value to the conversation. It shows you have limited ability to discuss a topic.
Agip already won this argument, but you're still going. He allowed all the bad things about some idiots on the left. Of course. Non-Trumpers on this thread do that ALL that time. But hypocrisy and blatant inconsistency are always relevant.
This might not apply to you, but when folks (like Agip and me and others) have been "arguing" with people who have overlooked HUGE amounts of badness from Trump and Trumpism for years, it's very easy to simply NOT be interested in hearing sniping from those same folks at (almost always) lesser transgressions from others.
If one refuses to call Spade 1 a spade for years and years, no one will be terribly "interested" or tolerant of that person now calling Spade 2 a spade today. It's that simple, and shouldn't be surprising.
"Agip already won this argument" Have you EVER said that Conservative Joe or Conservative Jane won this argument? Of course not - you will always say whoever is the Lib is "won the argument." Do you have any idea how lame that is?
"Agip already won this argument" Have you EVER said that Conservative Joe or Conservative Jane won this argument? Of course not - you will always say whoever is the Lib is "won the argument." Do you have any idea how lame that is?