deadesq wrote:
bored troller wrote:
nice find! Piss break no doubt.
He must piss in the same spot each year, then. From Long Beach 2017.....
https://imgur.com/a/w3cCOgIYou can actually see him stretching against a car in an earlier frame.
https://imgur.com/a/kLpDV5Z
Clearly in the process of putting his bib back in view after having hidden it.
deadesq wrote:
You can actually see him stretching against a car in an earlier frame.
https://imgur.com/a/kLpDV5Z
Stretching? Or getting in/out?
bored troller wrote:
deadesq wrote:
Thanks, Greg. I'm glad LA did the right thing in the end, even if he's still showing up in the searchable results for LA 2019. As for the rest, I hope in due time PHX will realize that Derek's work cannot be refuted. As for Long Beach, I don't hold out a lot of hope that anything will happen, but on that note....
Long Beach 2016. Frank--you can run, but you can't hide.
https://imgur.com/a/WjQBwBZnice find! Piss break no doubt.
Unreal. (I mean really not unreal).
Ok. Long Beach Marathon? Is that Enough for ya to --as they say -- "start the DQ process"? Let's go! CIM, LA Marathon stepped up. Phoenix in the wings presumably. Beat Phoenix to the punch.
Long Beach Marathon contact:
lbinfo@motivsports.comFrankMezaTrump wrote:
Good stuff, LA Marathon!
Phoenix? Tick-Tock.
social@phxmarathon.comto inquire....
This is how to do it. Fill the inbox at Phoenix letting them know why a DQ is warranted. And then keep pushing.
Roderick is Frank’s driver.
Eyewitness ID wrote:
Roderick is Frank’s driver.
And we would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn’t for you meddling runner investigators!!!
Clearly in the process of putting his bib back in view after having hidden it.
Caught red-handed. In 1011_008.jpg his bib is not visible, then in 1011_010-013.jpg he's un-hiding (and/or obscuring) his bib.
But he just runs for fun.
Cheat Meal wrote:
Clearly in the process of putting his bib back in view after having hidden it.
Caught red-handed. In 1011_008.jpg his bib is not visible, then in 1011_010-013.jpg he's un-hiding (and/or obscuring) his bib.
But he just runs for fun.
Bingo.
Then captured trying to adjust it as he lowers it again.
This proves he's using the waist belt to hide/show his bib.
Do any of his Loyola friends have a car like that?
Lots of speculation about how he did it here. That new pic might be a clue.
deadesq wrote:
bored troller wrote:
nice find! Piss break no doubt.
He must piss in the same spot each year, then. From Long Beach 2017.....
You can actually see him stretching against a car in an earlier frame.
That's a brilliant find, Deadesq. The 2017 sequence doesn't directly show course cutting, because it's from his 2nd time through the finish chute. It all looks so plausible at first: FM just goes for a post-race recovery run, stops to stretch, sees his old pal PB finishing his half marathon, and jogs it in with him. From just before the point where the photographers are waiting, of course. So there are lots of pictures of FM on the course, just as many as for any other runner.
Did FM do his cool-down run with PB in 2016? Why, yes, he did:
https://iconic-imagecdn.azureedge.net/MFT2016-02/92/801892/1013/0044.jpg?preset=pIt's almost as if meeting up for an extra stroll down Ocean Blvd. was the plan all along.
Also: I think FM was feeling the head from several directions. He ran the Santa Clarita Marathon every year from 2009 to 2017 (he ran the HM in 2016), but but in 2017 his finishing time was too fast for a relatively weak field and he ended up 3rd overall (on chip time; the 4th-place finisher actually finished ahead of him, and only the winner was determined by gun time). I spent some time looking at the 2017 race, but it's hard to make a case. He hits all (three) timing mats, and there are no on-course photos. His last 4.7 miles is around 8:00/mile, but people get tired and slow down at the end of marathons, right?
There's video from the mile 1 water stop, and FM's initial pace of 6:23 and starting delay of 1:49 should put him right with the 3:40 pace group, somewhere from 3:10 to 3:40 or later in the video. I don't see him anywhere in the video, but the video quality sucks. Who thought 360p was a good idea in 2017?
https://www.facebook.com/khtsradio/videos/2017-santa-clarita-marathon-mile-1/1571964182868680/
So no hard evidence and FM lives to run another day. But I think the RD was on to him.
SCM, 2018: There are thousands and thousands of on-course photos, and now the top 3 places are determined by gun time. And FM isn't running.
This may be why he started branching out the last few years, to Oakland and Mesa/Phoenix, in search of races where he wasn't so well known already.
Also, this would make a great vehicle for an aging Hollywood star. The Old Man and the Run: A sympathetic rascal hatches a hare-brained plan to snatch the AG marathon record by planning and executing the perfect race cheat, but the risk of exposure is climbing as jealous rivals and nosy snoops start to notice anomalies in his race times. (In the movie, FM would orchestrate Gene Dykes breaking his clavicle to keep him out of contention.) In the end, getting caught helps FM gain spiritual insight and his loved ones learn to accept him for who he is and not as a record-holding marathoner.
Roderick Powell wrote:
Progression of Cheating wrote:
Yes, that makes sense. It really boggles the mind how that could be remotely rewarding or satisfying. And how could someone get so addicted it that they'd do it over and over again over a period of years, dragging other people into it? Most people would feel ashamed and embarrassed after doing it once. But this guy? Quite the opposite. He just kept going bigger and bigger until he attracted too much attention.
The thrill of it all..there are many clues as to the “why”. Initially, to BQ for the 2008 Boston Marathon is my best guess. Then, as has been said, since people at work and elsewhere perhaps complimented him and some people maybe incorporated his exploits into their public relations and sales models....FM kept getting dug in more and more. Eventually perhaps he may have gotten hooked on the excitement of it. Perhaps the reason FM came across as very humble was partly because he knew that he really hadn’t done what he was being praised for. He may however, have actually been proud of his cheating skills. Bu that needed to be kept under wraps. Of course this is all guessing on my part. The only way to know the why is for FM to tell us why. And that would be dependent on us believing him.
That makes sense, that whole "aw shucks, it weren't such a big deal" humble act he's been putting on. I'd do that too if people were praising me for something I hadn't done. People at work have probably been heaping the praise on since about 2010.
Progression of Cheating wrote:
Roderick Powell wrote:
The thrill of it all..there are many clues as to the “why”. Initially, to BQ for the 2008 Boston Marathon is my best guess. Then, as has been said, since people at work and elsewhere perhaps complimented him and some people maybe incorporated his exploits into their public relations and sales models....FM kept getting dug in more and more. Eventually perhaps he may have gotten hooked on the excitement of it. Perhaps the reason FM came across as very humble was partly because he knew that he really hadn’t done what he was being praised for. He may however, have actually been proud of his cheating skills. Bu that needed to be kept under wraps. Of course this is all guessing on my part. The only way to know the why is for FM to tell us why. And that would be dependent on us believing him.
That makes sense, that whole "aw shucks, it weren't such a big deal" humble act he's been putting on. I'd do that too if people were praising me for something I hadn't done. People at work have probably been heaping the praise on since about 2010.
So, he cheats his way into Boston. Then runs over an hour slower at Boston. People who know running would be excited about the first result and inquisitive about the second. He had to make the qualifying time “real” and the Boston time “disappointing” and the result of (insert excuses here).
The best way to do that is to start duplicating the qualifying time. Improving from there, even.
If he ever ran in the 4:20s or 4:30s again he would give himself away.
And...
Did PB defend him because he hoped it would reduce the chances that we’d look at his racing results next?
Are the next priorities:
Get Phoenix to DQ
Look at the races of PB
?
Email sent to PHX. Keep up the pressure. Then, like Belicheck would say, "on to Long Beach.."
deadesc - amazing find on the "Car stretch"..... hilarious, great eye. - - He could have "stretched" on at the adjacent pole that was right on the side of the road. I wonder why he turned and went out of the way to a car... that car?
I’m all for emailing Phoenix but we need to be able to point them somewhere for one-stop analysis of the evidence. It can’t be everywhere in this thread.
Any thoughts on whether this is good to go or can more be added?
This seems conclusive to me. But the new photos are a great add.
bored troller wrote:
This is compelling enough. wrote:
Is this compelling enough?:
https://imgur.com/a/OV8obDpUh, not only isn't it the least bit compelling, Tony, but the wording on your dumb ass meme doesn't really get the point across.
Sorry you woke up with a sore head and sense of humour failure, but don't worry, be happy, Frank's been DQ'ed from LAM and there's more compelling evidence to come from PHX.
Oxford Comma wrote:
Looks legit wrote:
But it seems like he is only DQ from 2019. They should probably DQ him from 2015, 2017, and 2018.
(Comma or no comma after 2017?)
Sometimes you feel like an Oxford, sometimes you don't.
(I vote no)
I was taught no comma back in the 70's. Now it's proper to use an Oxford comma.
IMO, needs to be DQ'd from Phoenix next, followed by the latest Long Beach.
Can't help but wonder what Lalo Diaz and Phillip Bland have got to say now, especially if they've been following this thread. Also, Francisco Meza, Sara Tartof, Scott Dominquez, etc.
for the integrity of the sport wrote:
IMO, needs to be DQ'd from Phoenix next, followed by the latest Long Beach.
Don't forget the 2019 Pasadena Half, it was covered earlier in this thread and, ridiculously fast time aside (ridiculously fast for Frank anyway), showed fairly conclusively that he cheated. Oh yeah, and that was the kids charity one The Three Doctor Banditos scammed.
