Frank Meza 2:53:10 at LA Marathon (70 years old) unofficial time (just finished)

DQs wrote:

Something I'd like to see all Race Directors do: When a runner is DQd don't scrub them from the results. Move them to the bottom and attach the DQ. Too many RD's still take them out of the results completely making it more difficult to track the serial cheats.

+1

BTW, he still has this:

"I have coached five state championships, and my teams have been ranked sixth and eighth in the nation. I recently set eight California age group marathon records."

here:

https://healthy.kaiserpermanente.org/southern-california/physicians/frank-meza-9066593

triathleteguru wrote:

BTW, he still has this:

"I have coached five state championships, and my teams have been ranked sixth and eighth in the nation. I recently set eight California age group marathon records."

here:

https://healthy.kaiserpermanente.org/southern-california/physicians/frank-meza-9066593

At the bottom of that page: "This page was last updated on: "06/29/2019"

What was updated if that remains?

Oxford Comma wrote:

Looks legit wrote:

But it seems like he is only DQ from 2019. They should probably DQ him from 2015, 2017, and 2018.

(Comma or no comma after 2017?)

Sometimes you feel like an Oxford, sometimes you don't.

(I vote no)

It's optional when it's a list, like this. I personally wouldn't use a comma after 2017, but it's a matter of preference.

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Roderick Powell wrote:

Uncle Rico wrote:

Fine job by LAM. They reached an evidence based conclusion that leaves no doubt, and released the news in a very matter of fact presser.

We'll never know, but I wonder if they also uncovered evidence of the "how he did it."

Maybe he hops onto one of those free community e-scooters that are everywhere. (especially in Long Beach) Or has a few e-scooters of his own parked and locked that he unlocks, then uses for each app. 2.5 mile advance. Maybe their are videos/images of Frank Meza prior to race day parking those for use on race day. ( yes, I know this is not a murder investigation). Or a video/image of him riding an e-scooter on race day. Am I over-thinking this?

Could have been those, but we have also seen that he has people who are willing to lie for him and even make threats on his behalf. Does it seem so far-fetched to think that he also had someone drive him?

I am a lot more interested in the "why" of this than the "how?" How did a highly respected physician, who had so much going for him, start doing this? And why did he keep doing it for more than a decade? Was he genuinely unable to stop himself? And what about those accomplices? Were they hesitant at first, then just went along with it?

.?. wrote:

"The video evidence is confirmed by a credible eyewitness report"

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What I find interesting is it says closed circuit video of local retail outlets in the article.

Now, if this individual didn't put out the "sue" pressure, they wouldn't have been so thorough.

Remember the posts from S.D. earlier on those threads. Imagine if they actually were from that individual. No one wants the hassle of that even if they could defend it.

On the other hand, nothing is stronger than the pushback from being able to seek the truth. This isn't a win for Doubler and all honest runners. This is a win for free speech and everyone's rights in America.

When people have something dirty on each other bad things can go on for a very long time. A system of fraud can be just as much fun or more fun after the cheating patterns are engrained( and more rewarding socially and or monetarily or both) . Then comes justification. Protecting each other just happens. Good'Ole boy clubs are built on this kind of thing. If they have the power, they perpetuate their unfair advantages/lies and then support each other in polishing up their legacies against any doubt(including their own) when there time is drawing near. It's human nature. When it is as drastic as what frank and his cronies did, it really is only slightly out of norms.

Should have added above, This is exactly what happens with all the drug cheat elites that are in the in crowd. The ones most of LR suspects, but are TBTF.

Frank goes home devastated. But he will run Chicago on pure hate in 2:52:43 and literally reclaim his world record. Expect great things.

A great thread that resulted in exposing this creep for the cheat he is. His legacy will live on like Rosie Ruiz.

There were some pretty talented people on this thread doing great investigation work. Derek was great. Still the cropped pictures of Frank with Bannister and Kipchoge will put a smile on my face whenever I think of them.

Yes, that makes sense. It really boggles the mind how that could be remotely rewarding or satisfying. And how could someone get so addicted it that they'd do it over and over again over a period of years, dragging other people into it? Most people would feel ashamed and embarrassed after doing it once. But this guy? Quite the opposite. He just kept going bigger and bigger until he attracted too much attention.

Progression of Cheating wrote:

Yes, that makes sense. It really boggles the mind how that could be remotely rewarding or satisfying. And how could someone get so addicted it that they'd do it over and over again over a period of years, dragging other people into it? Most people would feel ashamed and embarrassed after doing it once. But this guy? Quite the opposite. He just kept going bigger and bigger until he attracted too much attention.

Exactly. I would feel no sense of satisfaction or achievement. I'm a $hitty runner. I hope someday to break 3:50 for a marathon. No one will show up to give me an award, but I'll be ecstatic and fulfilled.

But I guess this guy gets off on the public accolades.

Progression of Cheating wrote:

Yes, that makes sense. It really boggles the mind how that could be remotely rewarding or satisfying. And how could someone get so addicted it that they'd do it over and over again over a period of years, dragging other people into it? Most people would feel ashamed and embarrassed after doing it once. But this guy? Quite the opposite. He just kept going bigger and bigger until he attracted too much attention.

The thrill of it all..there are many clues as to the “why”. Initially, to BQ for the 2008 Boston Marathon is my best guess. Then, as has been said, since people at work and elsewhere perhaps complimented him and some people maybe incorporated his exploits into their public relations and sales models....FM kept getting dug in more and more. Eventually perhaps he may have gotten hooked on the excitement of it. Perhaps the reason FM came across as very humble was partly because he knew that he really hadn’t done what he was being praised for. He may however, have actually been proud of his cheating skills. Bu that needed to be kept under wraps. Of course this is all guessing on my part. The only way to know the why is for FM to tell us why. And that would be dependent on us believing him.

Bye Bye FM at LAM 2019 wrote:

https://www.lamarathon.com/news/disqualification-notice

Good stuff, LA Marathon!

Phoenix? Tick-Tock.

to inquire....

Yup - PHX should DQ next. Emails will help.

It wont be over till all the Long Beach ones, the other LAMs etc are officially adjudicated or there is an actual apology and admittance of guilt.

Go deadesq and doubler (derek)!

btw, the official dq notice also mentioned using security video from retail stores. Great job.

Greg Chrisman wrote:

Yup - PHX should DQ next. Emails will help.

It wont be over till all the Long Beach ones, the other LAMs etc are officially adjudicated or there is an actual apology and admittance of guilt.

Go deadesq and doubler (derek)!

Thanks, Greg. I'm glad LA did the right thing in the end, even if he's still showing up in the searchable results for LA 2019. As for the rest, I hope in due time PHX will realize that Derek's work cannot be refuted. As for Long Beach, I don't hold out a lot of hope that anything will happen, but on that note....

Long Beach 2016. Frank--you can run, but you can't hide.

deadesq wrote:

Greg Chrisman wrote:

Yup - PHX should DQ next. Emails will help.

It wont be over till all the Long Beach ones, the other LAMs etc are officially adjudicated or there is an actual apology and admittance of guilt.

Go deadesq and doubler (derek)!

Thanks, Greg. I'm glad LA did the right thing in the end, even if he's still showing up in the searchable results for LA 2019. As for the rest, I hope in due time PHX will realize that Derek's work cannot be refuted. As for Long Beach, I don't hold out a lot of hope that anything will happen, but on that note....

Long Beach 2016. Frank--you can run, but you can't hide.

https://imgur.com/a/WjQBwBZ

nice find! Piss break no doubt.

bored troller wrote:

nice find! Piss break no doubt.

He must piss in the same spot each year, then. From Long Beach 2017.....

You can actually see him stretching against a car in an earlier frame.