Official Russia vs Ukraine War Thread

Sure, but that is a choice that Russia made when it decided to invade Ukraine. They continue to make the choice to kill civilians on a daily basis when they update and execute their war strategy.

When Putin choose an invasion and long range shelling as a strategy when he don't possess guided weapons, he was choosing death for Ukrainian civilians.

1. You didn’t understand the phrase “not unreasonable” - as in it is reasonable (to heap blame upon the Russian side). This seems to be the point you’re arguing

2. Arguing for or against blame is not “racism”

3 Calling a nation of people “brutal savages” does seem the sort of generalization racism describes.

Putin wanted a buffer from NATO. His efforts resulted in doubling NATO borders with Russia, 300,000 NATO soldiers at the ready to defend NATO nations, and a de facto war where NATO is funding and supplying Ukraine. Big lose for Russia and essentially its people who are screwed for at least a generation.

Quite the opposite

Instead of compromising with Russia and avoid war which was very easy or at least engage into negotiations- NATO has chosen to escalate and now permanently 300 000 thousand troops will suck money and resources

putting money into ukrainian black hole just will result in multiple terror attacks in western countries using western weapons

Russia wins hands down in this conflict

The Ukraine side defended Severodonetsk after all three bridges to it were knocked out.

In any case, Russians were already active not far away on the other side of the River.

They weren’t really preventing a river crossing.

Lysyschandsk is high ground and immediately the other side of the river from Severodonetsk. The Ukraine side moved there eventually and are still there. That repositioning does not “allow the next major front to be underway”.

My thoughts were they should have made that move sooner - it would have saved many Ukraine lives.

Russia is winning? Winning what? What is Russia getting that makes Russia better for Russian people?

Russia is now kicked out of Europe! Wrap your head around that! The rest of Europe don’t want or trust Russia. Russians people, products, business and trade are not welcome in Europe. Russia is basically kicked out of their own continent. All your neighbors are pointing their weapons at you.

I would love to hear you spin that make it into a positive. Let me give you a sentence stem to get you started:
Russia is better off by being excluded from Europe because…

What winning looks like:

The Ukrainian military said Sunday that continued defense of the city
would have “fatal consequences,” given the Russian troops’ “advantage”
in “artillery, aviation, ammunition and personnel.”

msn.com

Ukrainian forces withdraw from Lysychansk; Kyiv says Donbas battle not over

Russian forces have used tactics in Lysychansk that were even more brutal than in nearby Severodonetsk, the Luhansk regional governor said.

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Unlike the weird Putin fetishists, people who support Ukraine are generally in touch with reality and understand that a city falling to the Russians isn't a good thing. Strategic retreat is often the better choice and I'm glad the Ukraine military command is thinking strategically. I continue to hope that the Russian army will be reduced to twisted scraps of metal and unidentifiable organic blobs as the best possible outcome, and I am encouraged by recent progress in this regard.

Europe is as despicaby racist as ever.

But at this point you're cheering Kiev to fight to the last Ukrainian. No skin in this game for you, just a fat western racist watching sports

You better figure out the definition of racist before you call Europeans racists for booting Russia out of Europe. Since Russia occupies almost half of the European continent, they are European. They have always completed in European championships, never Asian, so they must consider themselves Europeans.

However, now Russia are excluded from Europe, kicked out of their own continent and now trying to suck up to China, who will never help Russia.

Too help you, yeah Europeans are bigoted towards other European nations who invade their neighboring country and kill innocent citizens.

So if Russia is “winning” this war, what are they “winning”and has it been worth the price?

Europe is racist for not supporting Russia’s genocide of Ukrainians? But, Putin said Russians and Ukrainians are all the same people, so Europe is racist against Russians and Ukrainians by supporting Ukraine? Every post you make is idiotic, but this may be your dumbest post yet.

You racist Euro trash are still too stupid to realize you're losing.

Look at Africa meeting with the Russians, ignoring your sanctions. They know who enslaved them and who didn't. Literally the entire rest of the world has dealt with Euro arrogance over the past few centuries.

Ukrainian military are deserting en masse instead of dying for your honor. You genuinely seem to think it's some sort of parlor discussion. You're beaten, just give up and let it be.

Since you’re a bit dense, I’ll help you some more. Europeans can not be racist against Europeans because they are the same race.

They can be bigoted and prejudice against their own race but not racist.

Now, if you consider Russians to not be European, which may be case going forward as Russia aligns itself more with its eastern neighbors. Russians may become less European and more Asian in the future. Then, Europeans can be racist against Russians, who may become Western Asians.

At the present Russians are booted out of pretty much everything - European and American airspace and shipping lanes, F1, cycling, athletics, World Cup soccer, tennis, and even booted out of Europe.

Putin says he doesn't care.

Soon Russia will control the resource and industrial foundation of the former Ukraine in the east and all access to the Black Sea in the south. While nato and the G7 are getting all the press, the old soviet block countries and China, India, Argentina, South Africa, Iran, and Brazil have become much closer. Now, because of US bullying and sanctions, all these countries are seeing that they can be next and are suddenly very motivated to cooperate. Putin now effectively controls the Caspian, where NATO has zero control or even access, and can supply the forward operations on the Black Sea from there.

Turkey has become a major wild card. if Turkey leaves NATO then Putin could conceivably control the Black Sea as well and supply forward positions in the Aegean Sea and Mediterranean. Wow. Talk about a galactic miscalculation on the part of the pentagon. But hey, at least the US military defense contractors have earned billions.

Contrary to what you’re being fed in the “news”, instigating this proxy war in the Ukraine has been a colossal blunder by the neo-cons at the pentagon.